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Sunday, July 30, 2017

SDCC 2017 Recap 'N Stuff Final!

I had to rush the end of Part 2 of this recap as time is an issue lately as I've mentioned over and over. Although I have not had time to respond to prior comments, I did get a chance to read them.

Seems Nate is excited about the Skrulls being confirmed to be in the MCU and who can blame him, right? Well, actually, I think James Gunn teased it.

Before, it was widely believed that FOX had rights to the Skrulls since those bastids hold the movie rights to do Marvel's first family - The Fantastic Four. I believe James Gunn recently came out and revealed that FOX owns rights to certain Skrull characters but Marvel/Disney still owns the rights to the Skrulls as a race of aliens in the Marvel Universe.

Then Kevin Feige recently confirmed this as well, so the Skrulls will most likely be in the Captain Marvel movie. I agree it is exciting news, but I guess one shouldn't expect any specific Skrull characters?

What I'm wondering is if we'll eventually get a Kree-Skrull War like in the comics and Brie Larsen's Captain Marvel may bring this to light since the original Mar-Vell was a Kree alien in the comics. Well, that movie franchise has a good chance of an eventual Kree-Skrull conflict some where down the line since it was confirmed that the Skrulls will be the big bad in the anticipated Captain Marvel flick.

Actually, Kevin Feige has recently confirmed that Captain Marvel will feature the mythology of the Kree-Skrull War. Cool, and the actual comic story line is considered a classic by quite a few critics and comic historians.

The Kree-Skrull story line was played out in issues #89 – 97 of the Avengers volume one titled comic series. Even though the Captain Marvel movie will focus on Carol Danvers as the titular character and was not the Captain Marvel of those comic issues, that has no bearing on writers possibly taking from that comic story in the world of movies.

We already saw the Kree in the Marvel Cinematic Universe with Ronan the Accuser, and since he's dead in the movie-verse, we probably won't see him be the one to restart hostility between the two alien races like in that very comic story line. After all, it was revealed at SDCC that Captain Marvel would be a period piece set in the 90s and we'll see Danvers as an Air Force pilot and most likely how she gets her super powers in her titular film.

So with the news of the Skrulls being in the MCU, speculator rumors are pretty rampant. Some are speculating that Avengers 4 may have the title of Secret Invasion and that we may very well find out that the ranks of the Avengers has been compromised by some shape-shifting aliens.

Despite the newer comic series possibly bearing the same name of the movie or the movie possibly borrowing more elements from Secret Invasion if the rumor is true, that comic series was not the first to introduce the concept of the Skrulls infiltrating Earth and impersonating a few of Earth's Mightiest Heroes. 

Once again, I'm talking about comic roots here, and Avengers #89 - #97 was all about this way back when and some Avengers in that story line ended up being Skrull imposters. I believe Avengers #93 revealed that the Captain America, Iron Man and Thor in issue #92 were actually Skrulls or imposters.

As it goes down at the end of issue #92, Cap, Thor and Iron Man show up before Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, Goliath (Clint Barton) and the Vision and disband the group after accusing the four of disgracing the name of the Avengers. The beginning of issue #93 is back at the Avengers mansion when the Vision tumbles into the room that Captain America, Iron Man, and Thor are in.

In dire straights, they call upon Ant-Man who shrinks down and enters the android's internal systems. After fixing what was wrong and saving Vision, Ant-Man takes off and Cap, Thor are surprised when the Vision tells them that they had disbanded the group and shunned the other Avengers.

It's then that Iron Man reveals to the others why he had summoned the emergency meeting, and it's discovered that the earlier Cap, Iron Man and Thor who had disbanded the group at the end of issue #92 had been Skrull imposters. 

But let's go even further back in the comic world when it comes to Kree-Skrull hostility. Since FOX may own rights to specific Skrulls, it's more than likely that we won't be seeing the Super Skrull in the MCU.

Heck, let's talk about some first appearances anyway. So the Skrulls first debuted in Fantastic Four #2 from the first Silver Age series, and their 2nd appearance would be in Fantastic Four #18.

Like Fantastic Four #2, there is more goodness to Fantastic Four #18 than just being a 2nd appearance of the Skrulls. With that 2nd appearance in that very issue we also see the debut of Super Skrull.

More debuts in issue #18 of Fantastic Four? Sure, we have the debut of Tarnax IV, the first Skrull Throneworld or base of operations we comic readers associate with this alien shape-shifters. In the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe #10,  Tarnax IV was identified as the Skrull homeworld. The issue also debuts Dorrek VII, once ruler of the Skrulls and father of Princess Anelle.

I'm assuming rights to both characters belong to FOX for the movies, but in the good ole comics, I believe Dorrek VII was the first Skrull ruler us comic fans was introduced to. Despite movie rights or whatever, there are comics to definitely be aware or take note of when it comes to the Kree-Skrull War or tensions that set this up.

I believe the Fantastic Four Annual #3 has the first meeting of Thor and Super Skrull, so it has the first time that Thor met or dealt with a Skrull before Avengers #89 through #97. Here's how this plays out in the comics.

The two would have a 2nd run-in in Thor #142 not too long after Fantastic Four Annual #3. Yes, the third annual is the wedding issue for Reed and Sue, and we shall now get to Captain Marvel #2, and why this comic is an important one concerning the Kree-Skrull rivalry in comics. So what's the deal, eh? Come on, now, spill it, why don't cha? Captain Marvel #2 establishes that there is a long standing beef between the Kree and the Skrulls and definitely kicks off the set up for this to play out in the panels and pages of Marvel Comics. Important when it concerns this? Yes but it is not the only issue and we shall get to that soon enough!

In Captain Marvel #2, the Skrulls sense that there is a Kree presence on Earth, and they send the Super Skrull to investigate what their long time enemy is up to. Captain Marvel #3 continues Super Skrulls investigation and both issues lead or set up the Kree-Skrull War soon told in the Avengers comics. Once again, both of these issues establish that there is a long-standing beef between Kree and Skrulls and set up the first Kree-Skrull War that we readers see in Marvel Comics.


By this time, you should have already seen this trailer. You probably already know all the Easter Eggs and what not as well. 

So here's a really lightning fast recap. There is a totem pole type thing in this flick, and is seen at the beginning of this trailer. Whether it's just a nod or ends up being more is so far up in the air.

Some faces on this totem are Beta Ray Bill, Ares, Bi-Beast, and Man-Thing and some sites are already pumping this hint as characters that are coming to the MCU. Maybe so but I'm wondering to what degree? Are we talking about Howard the Duck degree or something a bit more substantial?

We also see a brief glimpse of what looks to be Korg in this new trailer as well. Makes sense since Korg was a character in the Planet Hulk comics by Greg Pak and Carlo Pagulayan.

Make no mistake that Greg Pak and Carlo Pagulayan created the character and Korg officially debuted in Incredible Hulk #93 volume 2. His origin is revealed in the next issue of Incredible Hulk #94 volume 2.

Korg's character was later retconned to be an unidentified rock creature that Thor had fought in Journey into Mystery #83. This retcon was revealed to happen in the origin story of Korg told in Incredible Hulk #94 volume 2.

Journey into Mystery #83
Incredible Hulk #93 V2
Incredible Hulk #94 V2

We also see Hulk leaping at a Surtur at the end of the trailer as well, so we do get our first glimpse of Surtur and we know that Hulk will not just battle Thor but will supposedly do battle with the demon Surtur as well. Rumors had been running around concerning Surtur appearing in Thor: Ragnarok for a long time. Not sure if that SDCC trailer confirmed Surtur's appearance in the movie or if that confirmation leaked before hand.

Anyway, cool stuff for sure. I've already talked about all the comics involved with Hela, Surtur, Valkyrie, Skurge the Executioner.

Other than that, this trailer doesn't really offer anything new from what we saw in the trailer before it. The end does have some type of Odin-Force Thor? We saw Cate Blanchett as Hela in the first trailer, and she looks amazing as the character. She seems to have the whole sexy wicked down pat.

We saw Tessa Thompson as Valkyrie in the first trailer, and I've liked her since seeing her in Creed. Have to admit that I do love the scene in this 2nd trailer where she struts down the Rainbow Bridge all sexy and cool and ready to kick some bad guy butt.

Skurge, Grandmaster, blah, blah blah. Already yapped about those after the first trailer dropped. If you haven't read that post and want to just click this Thor Trailer Has Dropped link.

Already talked about the Grandmaster in the Elders of the Universe key comics series. Once again, I'm just talking about comics that are tied to the trailers or announcements or characters, races, whatever in comics.

If you wanna speculate on them, it's your decision, but if speculation or comic investing is in your ball park, you may wanna check out some G+ groups that deal with the subject. Two honest ones I know about so far are SIC Comics and Comic Book Speculation and Market Trends, or just known as SIC and Trends. 

They aren't all just about speculation and do talk about collecting in a pure fan sense as well. Actually, I think they're more along the lines of actual comic investing and collecting. Either way, lots of helpful knowledge in those two groups.

Anyway, hope this little SDCC 2017 recap may be helpful to you. Other than that, enjoy the weekend and stay safe. See ya when I see ya but hopefully sooner than later.


  1. Thanks for another recap. Kree-Skrull War. Yes please!! I think it would be a great story line to build in the MCU after Infinity War. Can't wait to see where they go with this.
    Is it just me or do you think Man-Thing is a little out of place with the other characters on there. I could see Beta Ray Bill, Ares, and possibly even Hercules showing up in the MCU.


    1. Would be interesting, no? Yeah, I think Man-Thing is very out of place. I mean, if Bobbi Morse or Mockingbird was in Ragnarok, I could see why the nod, but not so sure about Man-Thing. Unless, Marvel plans to do some of it's horror stuff which I think they should. Werewolf by Night would be a cool show on the horror side. I'd watch that. Love me some Werewolves...

  2. Hey team,

    it's Ace here. Don' t know how to say it, but I' m kinda in a collecting depression. I' m really uninspired when it comes to what I should invest in. Nothing really get's me. First Isis? Ok. But do I really have to own this issue? And the nice issues like the first Hellboy just demand too much money for my taste. Perhaps you guys have another idea to get my collectin' fever goin again.



    1. Brutha, Ace. I suggest the G+ comic groups of SIC (Speculate Invest Collect) Comics and CBMST (Trends). They are good groups with loads of info and specs. Also, I advise this to everyone...fandom! Get back to fandom. I have taken a major step back from speculation and am just buying comics I want (early ASM and X-Men), and even some I just want to read.

      Sounds like you may be hittin' fatigue as well. I also had this and advise that peeps take breaks as well.

    2. I agree with Mayhem. Collect what you like. That's what I mainly do. I'm usually all over the place when it comes to collecting books. It's doesn't always have to be about spec and 1st appearance keys. Try to collect books from your favorite characters and artists, or classic story lines and covers as well. Collecting comics is supposed to be enjoyable.


  3. Hey you two,

    thanks for the emotional help. Got me the Next Men 21 in 9.2 for 70 plus shipping for starters.

    Plus I recommend gettin' Peter Parker Spectacular Spiderman Annual 5 - Spectacular cover ;-)