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Saturday, February 18, 2017

She-Hulk Key Issues Part 4

Last part to this She-Hulk key issues series, at least for now. Gonna be a short intro, because it's taken quite a bit of time to do this one.

Series as a whole is pretty lackluster concerning significant keys specific to the character. Looks like we'll be dipping into some Hulk comics in this post. This Part 3 link will bring you to the previous post.

1st issue to comic series

This She-Hulk comic series lasted for 38 issues and was majority written by Dan Slott. He left the series after issue #21 to pen the Amazing Spider-Man comics.

Fortunately and since Slott began this new series, the main supporting She-Hulk cast from She-Hulk volume 1 were carried over into this series, and the zany world of defending super-heroes continues.

I gotta admit, Greg Horn produced some awesome covers for this volume 2 series. This might be Horn's 1st She-Hulk cover but not totally sure, but homeboy did the covers for issue #1 through #19 and #21.

Alright, so here's some of the highlights for this comic series:

Issue #8 - Civil War tie-in. Overstreet lists this at $15 for 9.2 NM minus. According to OPG, it's the most valuable comic in the 2nd She-Hulk titled series.

Issue #9 - Jennifer marries John Jameson, J. Jonah Jameson becomes father-in-law. Take into consideration that She-Hulk was Peter Parker's lawyer in a libel lawsuit against Jameson in issue #4 of the volume 1 She-Hulk series prior to this comic series. Jameson ended up settling.

Issue #25 - Finally introduces the Behemoth. Yes, the Man-Elephant becomes a mutated creature instead of a guy in battle suit that looks like an elephant. Oh, joy!

37,196 is the estimated print run for She-Hulk #1 volume 1 and has the cover date of December, 2005.

1st brief or minor appearance of Skaar?

Gotta start dipping into some Hulk comics here since most of the Hulk family debuts in his comic titles or stories rather than She-Hulk. Skaar, the son of Hulk, does show up in this What If comic. He only shows up in 3 panels and one full page.

This also being a What If story, the events does not happen in mainstream continuity obviously. His face is revealed in the issue and here's Skaar's debut in this issue.

He is not named, but like in mainstream continuity, this alternate reality Skaar is the son of Caiera the Oldstrong who lives instead of the Hulk.

December, 2007 is the cover date for What If? Planet Hulk and has an estimated print run or North American comic shop orders of round 46,102.

1st full appearance of Skaar?

CGC notes this as the 1st full appearance of Skaar, or they use to. I am conflicted about noting it that. Skaar only shows up at the end of the story in a half page panel. Cameo? Might be.

I mean, Skaar does show up a lot more in What If? Planet Hulk compared to this issue. So, don't know what's going on here since some characters have shown up more than a half page panel and have been slapped with a minor or brief appearance notation.

Here's the page were we first see Skaar in this issue.

What is true is that this cameo appearance is in mainstream continuity. What If? Planet Hulk took place on Earth-7121. I would consider Skaar Son of Hulk #1 his 1st full appearance in mainstream continuity, but that's just my opinion.

Since Skaar is part of the Hulks or the Hulk family in Marvel Comics, he would come across Jennifer Walters from time to time. He is the brother of Lyra who is also known as She-Hulk. Lyra's appearance would come later but during the year of 2008.

World War Hulk #5 was the top selling comic in December of 2007 and had North American comic shops order around 145,769 copies. There are some with a reader's survey glued inside the center fold, and I'm sure those might be treated like the Mark Jewelers ads for some collectors.

1:15 variant cover by John Romita Jr, and the estimated number of copies given to comic shops are around 9,717.

World War Hulk #5 has the cover date of January, 2008 but came out in November of 2007.

1st appearance of Red Hulk
1st appearance of Red Guardian (Anton) 
1st appearance of Darkstar (Sasha Roerich)
1st appearance of Crimson Dynamo (Boris Vadim)

Ah, the modern comics creative's version of shaking things up. Since General Ross has spent most of his comic career hunting down the Hulk, wouldn't it be ironic and cool if he became a Hulk himself?

Well, Marvel editor-in-chief Joe Quesada thought it would be and proposed the idea to Jeph Loeb. So the Hulk's nemesis becomes the Red Hulk and continues his career as an adversary of the Hulk but with super powers like the Hulk.

As the Red Hulk, Ross is extremely dangerous and aggressive. In this issue, he kills the Abomination, and during the series, he kills powerhouse villains and superheroes like Silver Surfer and Namor.

For a long time, it was not revealed who the Red Hulk was. This was a running mystery while hints were dropped here and there and was finally revealed in the World War Hulks story line.

While, the series sold well, reception of the Red Hulk was mixed. Some praised the character and some gave it poor reviews.

Despite the reception, it would not stop creatives from turning another Ross family member into a Red She-Hulk. I'm pretty sure you can guess who that may be.

Quite a bit of variants for this comic and most of the so called limited variants like the Ed McGuinnes cover I haven't a clue on how limited they are or their estimates. I could find info on the Dynamic Forces and Atomic Comics exclusives, so I'll talk about them.

The Dynamic Forces have just the regular variant cover and then copies that are signed. Cover is by Dale Keown. Just the DF variant without the signature is reportedly limited to 4200 copies.

The signed version of this cover is marked with Ed McGuinnes handcock and limited to only 1500 copies. Both DF editions or variants come with numbered COAs.

The Atomic Comics Hero Initiative variant has a cover by Ed McGuinnes, and it's the same cover art as one of the limited variants also known as 1C. Difference is the Atomic Comics logo at the top and the Hero Initiative logo just below the Marvel logo. 

Simple enough, right? The Hero Initiative variant of this issue has been reported as being limited to 5,000 copies or 1,500 copies as there is a conflict of info concerning mycomicshop  and Comic Book Realm. 

So, don't know which is correct concerning that. There are blank covers with the Hero Initiative logo for issue #1 of this series also. Don't know much about those either.

Estimated print run of Hulk #1 vol 2 and the debut of the Red Hulk is pretty high at around 133,895 and has the cover date of March, 2008.

1st appearance of A-Bomb

When you hang out with a mostly gamma irradiated crew, chances are somewhere down the line you're gonna become one too, at least in the world of comics. So, for some inexplicable reason, Rick Jones becomes A-Bomb in this issue and basically is the next Abomination.

This, of course, happens at the end of the story and we see him transform in two panels and then in all his A-Bomb glory on the very last full page.


A-Bomb and Red-Hulk would battle for the 1st time in the very next issue as the last page of this story sets up. A-Bomb is definitely more of a Hulk key issue for sure, but he has assisted the Hulk family on quite a few adventures.

Rick Jones as A-Bomb would be a team member of She-Hulk in the Incredible Hulks, so A-Bomb goes on this She-Hulk key issues list. Once again, I could not find any information about how limited the variant covers are for this issue.

The 1st two variants above are 1st prints, and the 1st cover is done by Marko Djurdjevic.

There is a 2nd printing variant, wrap around cover as well, and it is the last cover shown in that gallery. Another creation of Jeph Loeb, A-Bomb's debut in Hulk #2 volume 2 has the cover date of March, 2008, and estimated print run for the regular cover is around 93,666.

1st appearance & origin of Lyra

Jennifer Walters is not the only character known as She-Hulk. Apparently, the Hulk from Marvel's mainstream continuity got it on with Thundra from a future timeline.

Lyra was the result and she traveled to the past to prevent the extinction of her people, the Femizons. Lyra had enough positive fan reaction that she starred in the All-New Savage She-Hulk mini-series.

Unlike the other Hulks, Lyra becomes weaker the more angrier she gets and was created by writer Jeff Parker and artist Mitch Breitweiser. She has fought and teamed up with She-Hulk on occasion and is part of the Hulk family.

Her brother is Skaar as mentioned earlier. Might be a good one to consider for Hulk or She-Hulk fans. 

Pretty low print run for this 1st appearance key issue at around 26,984, and not sure if there are any variants for this issue. August, 2008 is the cover date for Hulk: Raging Thunder one shot.

1st issue to self-titled limited series
1st meeting of She-Hulk & Lyra

After her 2nd appearance in Hulk Family: Green Genes, Lyra as the all-new Savage She-Hulk got her first self-titled limited series that was four issues. Jennifer Walters as She-Hulk was also in this comic, and it would not be the only series that she would co-star with Jennifer Walters in after.

The two would star in the 4 issue limited series She-Hulks, where Lyra adopts the last name of Walters.

This is the issue that has the cliched story line of Lyra traveling back to the past in order to save her people's future. At the end of this story, it is shown that the original She-Hulk and Lyra do meet for the first time.

The two She-Hulks would have their first battle in the next issue. Not a very high print run for this comic and is around 23,218. There is a 2nd print variant, and All-New Savage She-Hulk #1 has the cover date of June, 2009.

1st Lyra & She-Hulk battle

When it comes to an all out brawl, this issue definitely has the two She-Hulks go at it for almost the entire issue. Not a bad battle either but not sure if it's considered or should be considered a classic.

She-Hulk and Lyra would star in the 3 issue limited series Fall of the Hulks: The Savage She-Hulks and then in the 4 issue limited series She-Hulks. Along with Red She-Hulk, the duo also became members of the Incredible Hulks.

Not gonna show the entire battle, but here's how it starts off.

Seems like Lyra has mommy issues. Not a very high estimated print run for this comic either and is around 20,194. July, 2009 is the cover date for All-New Savage She-Hulk #2.

1st appearance of Hulk Gang
1st appearance of Otis, Charlie, & Bobby Jo

Did Mark Millar really go that route? Yep, he sure did.

While Hulk has tried to bang his cousin before, it seems that a crazed Bruce Banner in this alternate reality actually succeeded. So, in the Old Man Logan story line, we first see the inbred descendants of Hulk and She-Hulk who apparently rule California.

She-Hulk is not in this story line and it was not stated whether or not it was consensual or if the Jade Giant raped his cousin to birth this family of hillbilly thugs. Regardless, it's still gross either way.

As we know, the film Logan is about Old Man Logan, but we already know that it's a pretty far stretch from the actual comics or this story line since Hulk's rights are still with Marvel/Disney.

Fantastic Four #558 had a cameo of the Hooded Man, who ends up being Old Man Logan, and this issue of Wolverine #66 has the same cover date and release date of Fantastic Four #558. Since Old Man Logan definitely shows up a lot more in this issue than in one panel like in Fantastic Four #558, I would assume this is the 1st full appearance of Old Man Logan.

When it comes to Bruce Banner Jr., his first appearance or 1st full appearance is definitely in Fantastic Four #558. He appears as a baby in Giant-Size Old Man Logan #1, and in that issue, it's revealed that Bruce Banner did mate with his first cousin, Jennifer Walters, in this alternate timeline.

Giant-Size Old Man Logan also reveals that Logan adopts Bruce Banner Jr. after he kills the Hulk, which connects to the story line that begins in Fantastic Four #558 and the story in that issue is set in Earth-616 or mainstream continuity for FF #558. Hulk Jr. debuts as an adult in that issue.

This comic already heated up since news of Logan being loosely based on the Old Man Logan comics. Quite a few variants for this issue as well.

The Micheal Turner variant and sketch variants are still pretty hot. The regular Turner variant is said to be a 1:50 deal and the sketch is said to be a 1:100 incentive.

With the regular cover's estimated print run at 97,989 or 98,000 if you want to round up, an estimated 980 copies were given to comic shops as an incentive for the Turner sketch cover. This does include the number that Marvel actually printed up, and there may likely be more in actual existence.

Just something to keep in mind, but the incentive covers are definitely more rare than the regular cover if rarity is a big concern for ya. The 1:50 Turner variant should be estimated at around 2,000, and once again that's not an approximate print run number either.

Wolverine #66 also has the DF variant cover by Herbe Trimpe and is said to be limited to 1,999 copies. There's also Herb Trimpe signed DF version limited to 599 copies and comes with a COA that's numbered. 

These Dynamic Forces editions are slowly heating up. Not sure about the 2nd, 3rd or 4th printing estimated numbers though and could not find any info on that. The 3rd printing sketch of the regular cover seems to be on the radar of fans as well though.

Cover-dated August, 2008, Wolverine #66 is still a pretty hot comic in 2017 though the regular cover is selling on average in the mid to upper $100 range when they use to sell within the $200 range in spurts.

1st Red She-Hulk cover

It is one of these deals where the character shows up on a cover before he or she even shows up in an actual story. That is correct, and Red She-Hulk does not appear in the actual comic.

This is also a variant cover by Ed McGuinness and mycomicshop pegs it a 1:10 or 1 for 10 deal. The regular covers estimated print run is around 77,373, so around 7,737 or 8,000 (if you round up) were given to comic shops as an incentive for this variant cover. 

This Hulk #14 volume 2 Red She-Hulk variant has the cover date of October, 2009.

1st appearance of Red She-Hulk

Ah, here it is: A new character to challenge the mantle of She-Hulk. Yep, and Betty Ross happens to be Red She-Hulk, though not revealed in this issue.

Yes, that Betty Ross, long time Bruce Banner love interest. Oh, brother.

Once again, Red She-Hulk starts off as a mystery character as in no one knows who she really is. She just seems to come out of nowhere and whamo!

Red She-Hulk debuts on the very last page of this issue. It is a full page, and CGC already notes it as her 1st appearance. Overstreet just notes it as a Red She-Hulk appearance.

Guess a full page splash counts as a 1st appearance. Her 2nd appearance or 1st full appearance would be in the next issue Hulk #16 volume 2. 

Anyway, there is a 1:15 variant of this issue by Ed McGuiness. Around 3,900 copies were given to comic shops as an incentive since the regular cover has an estimated print run of 58,618.  

No real idea of the actual print number for that variant cover. November, 2009 is the cover date to Hulk #15 volume 2. 

1st meeting of She-Hulk & Red She-Hulk
1st She-Hulk and Red She-Hulk battle

For those of you who like 1st meetings and battles, this is definitely one for any She-Hulk fan to own or consider. Bound to happen since the Red Hulk and Hulk had a go at it prior to this. 

This issue does have the first time Jennifer Walters meets Red She-Hulk, and it does end up in a battle of the titans in the second back up story, "Right Direction", to this issue. It was written by Harrison Wilcox with pencils by Ryan Stegman.

It's not a very long battle, and She-Hulk does look like she's winning. However, Red She-Hulk appears to have come out on top in this scrap and even appears to have killed Jennifer Walters.

Of course, she obviously didn't kill Shulkie. The two would have later scraps.

1:15 variant by Marko Djurdevic, and I do like how he illustrates Shulkie. Estimated print run for the regular cover is around 44,855, so the variant could be round 2,990 or 3,000.

If you're wondering when Lyra and Red She-Hulk are first seen interacting in a comic, that issue could very well be Fall of the Hulks: Gamma one-shot. They have a very, very short scrap.

Actually, it's just Red She-Hulk having her way with Lyra. Incredible Hulk #606 cover date is March, 2010.

Origin of Red Hulk

Hulk #22 of this series reveals that General Ross and Betty Ross are the Red Hulk and Red She-Hulk. Continuing from the previous issue, we finally get the origin of the Red Hulk. 

It is friggin' confusing so I'm not even gonna attempt to explain it. The Leader and Doc Samson are involved, as well as M.O.D.O.K. of the Intelligencia. 

Variants! Variants! Variants! Like 'em or don't, there is one for this issue that I could find anything about.

So, so for those that do like 'em, there is a 1:20 variant cover by Adam Kubert. Estimated print run for the regular cover is around 50,724 according to ComicCohron, so this variant could be estimated around 2,500 or 2,600 copies given as an incentive.

This issue's interior art was done by various artists, and Hulk #23 volume 2 has the cover date of August and came out in 2010.

Origin of Red She-Hulk

During the same month that General Ross had his origin story told in Hulk #23, it was finally time to reveal Betty's origin of how she became Red She-Hulk since it was finally discovered that she is somehow the character.

Greg Pak concocts this tale of fantastical mystery and intrigue. Once again, the Leader, Doc Samson and M.O.D.O.K. are behind her becoming Red She-Hulk. It's a pretty short origin story and doesn't really explain much except that she probably underwent the same treatment that her father did.


So something like that. August,  and that flashback seen of Red She-Hulk strangling She-Hulk is from the first fight they had in Incredible Hulk #606. 

Concerning this issue and variants, there's one limited 1:20 incentive by Adam Kubert. Regular cover has an estimated print run of 46,461, so the variant may have around 2,323 given as incentives.

There is a Dynamic Forces signed edition limited to 100 copies. It's basically the regular cover signed by Greg Pak but comes with a numbered COA. If you don't care for variants and prefer signed comics by favorite comic creators, the DF edition could be a good alternative.

Cover date is August 10th, 2010 for Incredible Hulk #610.

1st appearance of A-Force
1st appearance of Earth-16191 She-Hulk

Competent, intelligent, clever, heroic, and in charge! Yes, you read that right. In the Battleworld nation of Arcadia, the women are hold the power and A-Force fights for justice and defends it with conviction and might!

A-Force was created by created by writers G. Willow Wilson and Marguerite Bennett and artist Jorge Molina. I remember this comic was hyped up last year as the first all-female Avengers team.

I also remember the reaction it got from some who hate how feminism has become more prominent in comics. Didn't think it was a bad idea since I don't read modern comics or I didn't before I started to include more Modern Age comics in these lists. Before I would barely even go beyond the Bronze Age for most key issue lists.

I thought it was cool, and that female readers could further geek out and enjoy seeing themselves as powerful women who could take lead as good as any of the guys. I do have to admit, the alternate universes get confusing to me.

So I think this is the 1st appearance of Earth-16191 She-Hulk, and I'm not even going to claim to understand what happened. Supposedly, Doctor Doom was able to create this entirely new planet when worlds starting collapsing in Marvel's multiverse and gave birth to a new multiverse.

Doesn't really matter since this universe would merge with Marvel's mainstream universe in 2016 or pretty soon after this comic series. Anyway, A-Force consists of  a whole slew of Marvel super-heroines like She-Hulk, Dazzler, Medusa, Captain Marvel (Carol Danvers), Spider-Woman, Phoenix, Storm, Rogue, and many others. 

Quite a bit of variants, and I'm pretty sure this comic was speculated the hell out of. Estimated print run for A-Force #1 is around 120,497. 

1:50 variant cover by Adam Hughes had around 2,409 copies given as incentives.

There are three 1:25 incentive retailer variants for this issue, all done by different artists. In the image gallery below, the 1:25 variants are in order by cover artist and they are Russell Dauterman, Stephanie Hans, and Jorge Molina. 

So all three of those had about 4,819 given to comic shops. Real print run could be higher. There are, of course, other variants as well, but I couldn't find any info on estimates concerning how limited they are or what.

Mycomicshop lists most or all of them, so you can visit them if interested.  I believe a 2nd series was also launched but that didn't last all that long due to poor sales. Cover date for A-Force #1 is July, 2015

1st issue to series
Jennifer Walters as Hulk

Hell, we are living in different times for sure. Amadeus Cho became a new Hulk in recent times, and X-23 took up the mantle of Wolverine.

No She-Wolverine or Lady Wolverine, just Wolverine. No surprise that some creative would get the super ingenious idea of doing the same for Jennifer Walters, yeah?

No She-Hulk, just Hulk. Jennifer Walters takes the mantle of Hulk and stars as the main character of the Hulk titled series. Landmark issue?

You know, it might be or not. I mean, I think comic fans are still gonna think of Walters as She-Hulk and refer to her as such instead of the Hulk. 

Even though I'm not privy or as open-minded in extremely geeking out about the idea, I don't get pissed off like some fanboys when it comes to stuff like this.

Then again, I don't really keep up with Modern Age comics, although I have had to read them quite a bit lately since I get more requests to put more recent comics in these darned key issues lists. Bastids!

So in this series, Jennifer Walters is no longer working for herself and gains employment at yet another law firm (yawn), and this entails a whole new supporting cast. I am not even gonna get into them, but this series has a more unstable and uncontrollable Walters.

She is traumatized and effin' pissed and angry, and it seems like this series will have this as an Achilles heel for the character like the original Hulk. Walters as the She-Hulk did learn to hulk-out at will.

Looks like that aspect is gone in this series. First two issues and Jennifer hasn't even hulked-out yet, but I think she's gonna be grey instead of green. Anyway, a butt-load of friggin' variants, which is to be expected. I'm even assuming that the regular cover has a pretty hefty estimated print run since I'm sure it was heavily speculated on like taking a piss first thing in the morning.

First, I wanna talk about the Hulk #1 Hall of Comics/CBCS variants. There are three and this does pay homage to the whole Wolverine and Hulk beef, except it's X-23 as Wolverine and She-Hulk as Hulk.

I actually like these covers, and I know it's because it's a cover swipe to Incredible Hulk #181. Big fan of Wolverine. The regular cover variant is limited to 3,000 copies.

The Black, White and Red sketch variant has Deadpool eating popcorn on the back on Wendigo. Deadpool is the only thing in color on that cover and it's limited to a 1,500 copies.

The most rare is the full-colored popcorn variant  and it's limited to only 500 copies. I think these might get some major love in the market in the near future.

There are also the Siya Oum variants that have the same deal with exclusive 3,000, 1,500 and 500 variant covers.

Alright, now to the regular variants that came with this issue. I'm gonna talk about the ones where I can find info on how limited they are. As for the others, I have no idea and couldn't find zilch.

However, if you know, be sure to let us all know in the comments below. Would be greatly appreciated for sure.

Let's start off with the 1:25 variants by Pia Guerra and June Brigman. I could not find any info on the 2nd June Brigman incentive variant or how limited it is, but I'll showcase in the gallery below.

Once again, the covers are in order by artist, so the first is Pia Guerra and 2nd and third is by June Brigman. 2nd cover is a 1:25 but the 3rd cover below is a one per store.

The regular cover has an estimated print run of 89,810, so  around 3,592 copies of the 1:25 variants were given as incentives to various comic shops. Just an estimate there an not an approximate print number of copies in existence.

Dale Keown has another variant cover for this issue and it's a 1:50 retailer incentive. About 1,796 of those were shipped to comic shops.

Once again, there are other covers like the action figure variant or Scottie Young or Hip Hop variants, but I zero estimates or info to even guesstimate anything bout them. 

If you wanna see 'em, I think GCD has them minus the exclusives.  

Hulk #1 volume 4 or simply the 2016 series since it was released in December of that year has the cover date of February, 2017.

Damn! This She-Hulk series took forever-and-a-day! I didn't even bother with her 2014 series that lasted 12 issues.

Tons of reading and looking for variant ratio information, quite a few which lead to zero conquest. Once again, most significant She-Hulk keys are going to be outside her own comic series. I have no idea why the various creatives decided to ditch the previous supporting cast to each series.

I can see why this was done with the original Savage She-Hulk series since it does take place in L.A. and Shulkie later moves to NYC, but for the others it's pretty ridiculous just how much she has a revolving door of characters that come and then go.

Maybe this will change with her new Hulk series that recently came out. Alright, so I'm going to stop here. I must've typed the word She-Hulk about million times while doing this series.

If you got any significant Shulkie key issues that you think belongs here, feel free to let us all know in the comments section. 


  1. Nothing to ad Shulkiwise. I just hope Marvel spares us a blue or yellow edition. Have been to my ole comic shop again this week and found an old Mage 2 from Comico signed by Matt Wagner. Back in the days this 1984 series was quite hyped. Do you think movie or tv business is possible here? This indi comic might have great potential in that case...


  2. "Fantastic Four #558 had a cameo of the Hooded Man, who ends up being Old Man Logan, and this issue has the same cover date and release date of Fantastic Four #558." That's confusing. Do you mean Wolverine #66?

    1. Yes, Wolverine #66 and FF #558 have the same cover date and release date.