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Thursday, March 31, 2016

Non 1st Appearance Origin Key Comics Part 5




Like promised, we have more 1st origin key comics for issues that do not contain their 1st appearances as well. Why? Because we all know that a comic with a 1st appearance and origin of a major hero or villain will definitely be more valuable.

However, this is to see if just 1st origin keys are worth their salt as comic investments. If you're a fan of the character, who cares about comics as investments then? You'll probably just want keys of your favorite characters just to have 'em.

Nothing wrong with that either. So, let's get to it. This Part 4 link will bring ya back in case you missed it. If you're ready to roll, enjoy the next few.




WARLOCK #9
1st origin of Magus
2nd Thanos saga begins

When it comes to ultimate foes for Adam Warlock, the old saying of "You are your own worst enemy" holds true for this character. Nothing like meeting your future self and being completely appalled by how evil you turned out.

Magus is the future counterpart of Adam Warlock. Created by Lord Chaos and Master Order, Adam Warlock was supposed to be the champion of life against Thanos, the champion of death. Instead, the process drove Adam Warlock of the future insane, and he became the Magus.

This origin is told by Magus in this issue, and it's the In-Betweener who sends Warlock to a place between reality and illusion where he learns the dark secrets of Lord Chaos and Master Order. The rest is comic history.

So far the total registered copies in the CGC Census is pretty low with only 237, but this is a 1975 Marvel comic book. I definitely think there's a lot more raw copies out there that aren't getting slabbed.

Highest so far are twenty-eight 9.8s with seventy-four 9.6s. Wow!


Definitely not that of a sought out key currently. CGC 9.8 last sold for only $275 bucks back in December of 2014 for this issue. I'm pretty sure the Overstreet data isn't too impressive concerning this issue since this comic was barely on the radar a year ago and still barely on the radar currently.

Overstreet 1982-83 12th Edition
Overstreet 1990-91 20th Edition

Mint: $2.20
Fine: $1.10
Good: $.35

Near Mint: $2.00
Fine: $1.00
Good: $.35

Overstreet 2002-03 33rd Edition
Overstreet 2015-16 45th Edition

Near Mint: $24
Very Fine/Near Mint: $21
Very Fine: $17
Fine: $9
Very Good: $6
Good: $3

Near Mint (low): $60
Very Fine/Near Mint: $44
Very Fine: $27
Fine: $12
Very Good: $8
Good: $4

Magus and Thanos are the two big bads when it comes to Adam Warlock. This comic hasn't performed badly over the years, but it hasn't performed amazingly spectacular either.

Then again, hopefully Adam Warlock is not omitted from the movies. I still haven't heard any word about Adam Warlock or Magus, but I think this issue would be a great story for a flick.

Then again, that's just my fandom talking, and who knows what the folks in Hollyweird are gonna do? Warlock #9 has the cover date of October, 1975.






NEW TEEN TITANS #7
1st origin of Cyborg

Cyborg is a pretty recognizable member of the 2nd Teen Titans incarnation, and the Teen Titans have been a popular super-hero team for years in both comics and in cartoons. His 1st appearance was in DC Comics Presents #26, a long with some other of his Teen Titan comrades, so it's only fitting that his 1st origin story be in the titled series as well.

Issue #7 of the New Teen Titans is the comic that features Cyborg's first origin story. Victor Stone was used by his parents Silas and Elinore Stone as experimental test subject for intelligence enhancement.

It's revealed in this issue that an accident to one of the experiments is what caused Victor to have gained his cybernetic  prosthetics and the death of his mother. Although this issue is his first told origin, Cyborg's origin would later be retold and expanded on in greater detail in Tales of the New Teen Titans #1.

Despite that Cyborg is going to be part of the Justice League movies with plans of his own solo movie coming out soon, this comic has not caught on in a big way with the market. This comic has a low census for a comic that came out in 1981.


This comic is definitely a sleeper on both the CGC front and on the back issues market. There's no problem finding raw copies online and probably offline as well. CGC 9.8s are still going for cheap, around $50 to $60 bucks on ole eBay.

Overstreet 1982-83 12th Edition
Overstreet 1990-91 20th Edition

Mint: $3.00
Fine: $1.50
Good: $.50

Near Mint: $3.00
Fine: $1.50
Good: $.50

Overstreet 2002-03 33rd Edition
Overstreet 2015-16 45th Edition

Near Mint: $5.00
Very Fine/Near Mint: $0
Very Fine: $0
Fine: $0 
Very Good: $0
Good: $0

Near Mint (low): $55
Very Fine/Near Mint: $40
Very Fine: $25
Fine: $12
Very Good: $8
Good: $4

In the 2002-03 Overstreet, the listing for both The New Teen Titans #2 and this issue only had the value for NMs, so I suppose the grades below NM were worthless. Definitely looks like recent years had this comic doing a lot better, but in truth, it's still an over-looked key which movie hype has yet seemed to matter much.

Well, have to see if that changes or not in the near future. The New Teen Titans #7 has the cover date of May, 1981.






TEEN TITANS #22
1st origin of Wonder Girl

It should be obvious that this is the Donna Troy Wonder Girl, as it is a Teen Titans comic. Part of the original Teen Titans, in which she made her 1st appearance in Brave and the Bold #60, her first origin story was not revealed in her first appearance but in this issue here.

In this origin, she is a rescued orphan taken to Paradise Island by Wonder Woman and raised as an Amazonian. Yes, the origin of Wonder Girl would be revised and revamped several times after, but this is the original.

Not exactly a sleeper but not highly over-looked either. In 2 years, this comic only had 3 sales on eBay. In about 4 years, only 13 sales on eBay so I'd say it's pretty over-looked. Not saying that should be the reason to go out and snag this one unless you're a hardcore Wonder Girl fan.

Once again, don't expect a high CGC Census total for this one. Only 67 so far with the highest  being only two 9.8s currently.

CGC 9.8 sold on eBay for $1,005.00 bucks back in August 2015, so this one really isn't a cheap buy any longer for sure. I do see quite a few raw copies on eBay and elsewhere. Here's how this origin key comics has performed in Overstreet throughout the years.

Overstreet 1982-83 12th Edition
Overstreet 1990-91 20th Edition

Mint: $6.00
Fine: $3.00
Good: $1.00

Near Mint: $12
Fine: $5.00
Good: $1.70

Overstreet 2002-03 33rd Edition
Overstreet 2015-16 45th Edition

Near Mint: $75
Very Fine/Near Mint: $60
Very Fine: $45
Fine: $18
Very Good: $12
Good: $6

Near Mint (low): $160
Very Fine/Near Mint: $108
Very Fine: $56
Fine: $24
Very Good: $16
Good: $8

Well, since most DC key comics were over-looked for quite a while, I'm not surprised that this one has crept up slowly over the years. 9.6s are still in the $400 range after all, and if you look at the sales on gocollect, it's not a very sought-out comic so far.

Could change or might not. August, 1969 is the cover date for Teen Titans #22.






TALES FROM THE CRYPT #33
1st origin of the Crypt Keeper

Switching it up here and diverting a bit from super hero comics with this horror key issue right here, Tales from the Crypt #33 reveals the strange origin of the infamous Crypt Keeper, the host of this famous EC Comic's titled series. Definitely no sleeper and already pretty valuable in high grades, but it's still a good horror key comic worth mentioning and outside the Crypt Keeper's first appearance in Crime Patrol #15.

The Crypt Keeper's father was a two-headed preserved corpse, and his mother a centuries old Egyptian mummy. Being on display at a traveling carnival, the two odd attractions met, fell in love, and spawned the Crypt Keeper.

This issue has a low CGC Census total of 90 with the highest grade a CGC 9.8. However, finding high grade copies or decent raw copies isn't an easy task.

A CGC 9.6 Gains File Copy sold for $3,451 on eBay back in 2013. Let's see what Overstreet clocks this origin key comic at.

Overstreet 1982-83 12th Edition
Overstreet 1990-91 20th Edition

Mint: $110
Fine: $60
Good: $20

Near Mint: $210
Fine: $90
Good: $30

Overstreet 2002-03 33rd Edition
Overstreet 2015-16 45th Edition

Near Mint: $825
Very Fine/Near Mint: $642
Very Fine: $458
Fine: $183
Very Good: $122
Good: $61

Near Mint (low): $1,175
Very Fine/Near Mint: $856
Very Fine: $536
Fine: $201
Very Good: $134
Good: $67

This one has done pretty good, despite horror comics not being highly sought out currently. Well, at least most Golden Age horror comics.

Seems like most collectors like the new shiny Modern ones. Well, to each their own.

Tales from the Crypt #33 has had steady growth according to Overstreet, and it's not an easy comic to find in decent grades at all. Cover date is December, 1952.

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When it comes to key issues like Warlock #9, which was basically a sleeper for quite some time and still not noted in Overstreet for containing the origin of Magus, I don't get all that surprised when I look at the CGC or Overstreet performance or even the CGC Census.

Thanos and all the characters closely tied to him didn't hit a huge level of interest until the very beginning of Avengers movie hype. To be completely honest, Thanos had a decent cult following prior to that. His 1st appearance in Iron Man #55 in that guide was worth $120 at a NM-.

Don't believe me, look up the 2002-03 Overstreet Guide for Iron Man #55 and compare it to now. Hugely different when it comes to value. That comic was only a little more than two years before Warlock #9 hit the stands, and of course, Warlock #9 doesn't hold a 1st appearance either.

When it comes to many DC Comic keys, I'm also not that surprised since they were extremely over-looked for quite a while. I keep saying that, but it's true.

So Teen Titans #22 shouldn't be surprising when you look at the data. It also shouldn't be a surprise that a 9.8 only crossed the $1,000 mark a little less than a year ago. 

What is surprising is that the Teen Titans are definitely no slouch of a super-hero team in comics. They've been around a long time, and they are definitely popular and well-known. 

Who knows, if keys for the characters of the 2nd and more popular version of the Teen Titans will blast off or what. So far, mostly all their 1st origin stories are over-looked aside from those who were from the original team like Kid Flash. 

As usual, it's purely up to you on deciding what's worthy to drop your hard earned cash on. I'm only reporting what's out there and how it's done in past 30 years or so. Good luck and happy hunting out there!




Tuesday, March 29, 2016

Non 1st Appearance Origin Key Comics Part 4




Once again, it's mostly Marvel in Part 4 to this origin key comics series. I do have one featured here that isn't Marvel, and that one can be seen as greatly under-valued and quite over-looked at the same time.

Alright, enough beating around the bush. Part 3 link will bring you back. Scrolling down will reveal more 1st origin key comics that aren't revealed in a character's 1st appearance issue. Well, sort of.

As for good comic investments? You'll have to see and make that call yourself. Either way, hope you enjoy and thanks for reading.




DAREDEVIL #105
1st origin of Moon Dragon

This one here may be questionable to put on this list. Daredevil #105 is the first appearance of this character as Moon Dragon. She first appears as Madame MacEvil in Iron Man #54, and it's clearly the character of Moon Dragon in that issue, meaning she is recognizable as the character.

This issue does see her first appearance as Moon Dragon, and it also gives her origin story. I'm including this one here, because the character does actually have a 1st appearance prior to this issue and she is recognizable in that 1st appearance.

Moon Dragon is greatly connected to two Marvel characters - Drax the Destroyer and Thanos. Moon Dragon's origin is actually connected to Drax the Destroyer since Moon Dragon is his daughter.

So Thanos is the cretin who is directly responsible for the origin of Moon Dragon and Drax. While on a drive, Arthur Douglas and his family spotted Thanos' ship land.

Unfortunately, Thanos destroys the car and kills everyone except a young Heather Douglas. This issue here would reveal that young Heather was taken in by Mentor and brought to Titan to be raised by the monks of Shao-Lom. It was not revealed that the soul of her father Arthur Douglas was sent to the newly created body of Drax the Destroyer in this issue.

Captain Marvel #32 actually reveals the origin and connection to Drax the Destroyer and Moon Dragon in further detail, but in this origin contained in Daredevil #105, the identities of Moon Dragon's parents that died in the car crash are left out.

So, 1st origin of Moon Dragon is in Daredevil #105, and this origin is later elaborated on in Captain Marvel #32. Although Captain Marvel #32 is being noted as the origin of Drax the Destroyer by many sources, it is not his 1st origin story.

Drax's 1st origin story is contained in the same issue he first appeared in - Iron Man #55. Captain Marvel #32 elaborates on it and connects him to Moon Dragon. Iron Man #55 does show Mentor seeking the help of Kronos to aid against the threat of Thanos. It also shows the birth of Drax.

So, have no idea why no one is noting Iron Man #55 the origin of Drax the Destroyer. Captain Marvel #32 is a retelling with new facts.

Anyways, back to this issue at hand and the origin of Moon Dragon. Daredevil #105 hasn't been the best performing origin comic out there, and I think it's still flying under the radar for the most part.

This comic does have a low CGC Census, but I bet there are a lot of raw copies out there that have yet to be deemed slab worthy. Highest graded copies are 9.8s so far for Daredevil #105.




CGC 9.6s on eBay are selling in the $200 range, and if you look on gocollect, there aren't many sales at all for this comic. Overstreet data is below for you to check out.

Overstreet 1982-83 12th Edition
Overstreet 1990-91 20th Edition

Mint: $1.00
Fine: $.50
Good: $0

Near Mint: $2.00
Fine: $1.00
Good: $.35

Overstreet 2002-03 33rd Edition
Overstreet 2015-16 45th Edition

Near Mint: $18
Very Fine/Near Mint: $15
Very Fine: $12
Fine: $6 
Very Good: $4
Good: $2

Near Mint (low): $55
Very Fine/Near Mint: $40
Very Fine: $25
Fine: $12
Very Good: $8
Good: $4

Didn't really expect this comic to have a spectacular growth record, but it isn't too bad considering the character featured. Daredevil comics were widely over-looked for the longest time, and even the keys in that titled series.

This one is still pretty over-looked over-all or just not that cared for currently, and Daredevil #105 has the cover date of November, 1973.






WARLOCK #10
1st origin of Gamora

Overstreet notes this issue as the origin of Thanos & Gamora, but in all reality, it's really just the origin of Gamora and Thanos just happens to be a player in it. So, in order not to confuse people with this issue being the 1st origin of Thanos told, I'm just going to note it as the 1st origin of Gamora.

So we all know that Gamora first appeared in Strange Tales #180 but it's now considered only a brief one. She makes her 1st full appearance in Strange Tales #181.

In Warlock #10, her origin is finally revealed and she is the last of her kind. Thanos adopts her as a child and trains her to be a badass weapon with the goal of assassinating the Magus, the evil future version of Adam Warlock.

Pretty straight-forward origin there, but it is classic Jim Starlin no doubt. This comic is definitely no sleeper anymore, but it didn't catch on in a huge way due to Guardians of the Galaxy movie hype.

Highest grades are 9.8s for this comic, and they are still selling in the $300 range. Actually, there's quite a bit of 9.8s in the census for this comic, despite having a pretty low total submitted number of copies.



Despite the total, this comic isn't really that rare or scarce. Just look at the eBay search results and you'll find a ton of copies there, many of them raw copies.

Overstreet 1982-83 12th Edition
Overstreet 1990-91 20th Edition

Mint: $2.20
Fine: $1.10
Good: $.35

Near Mint: $2.00
Fine: $1.00
Good: $.35

Overstreet 2002-03 33rd Edition
Overstreet 2015-16 45th Edition

Near Mint: $30
Very Fine/Near Mint: $25
Very Fine: $20
Fine: $9 
Very Good: $6
Good: $3

Near Mint (low): $65
Very Fine/Near Mint: $47
Very Fine: $28
Fine: $12
Very Good: $8
Good: $4

Be real interesting to see what the new guide coming out this summer has for this issue. This issue wasn't really sought-out in a big way until about a year ago, and I think it flew under the radar for quite some time for most comic fans or speculators.

Jim Starlin fans most likely had this issue under wraps a while back. Warlock #10 has the cover date of December, 1975.







BLUE BEETLE #2
1st origin of Blue Beetle (Ted Kord)
Death of Dan Garrett

Here we are with a Charlton comic before DC acquired the rights to Blue Beetle. Blue Beetle #2 from the 1967 series finally reveals the 1st origin of Ted Kord as the Blue Beetle.

It should be noted that there are multiple versions of Blue Beetle. The first is Dan Garret and was a character published by Fox Comics.

Fox would later go out of business and Charlton would by the rights. Under Charlton, they put out the Silver Age Dan Garrett (with two ts instead of one) as the Blue Beetle, and the 2nd version would have a very different origin story than the original Golden Age version.

Then, Dan Garrett would finally be replaced by Ted Kord, and he is the more popular version of Blue Beetle. Kord's 1st appearance was still in the Silver Age also, but Kord's origin story is definitely tied to Dan Garrett.

Kord is Garrett's student, and when Garrett died (shown in this issue) he implores Kord to take over for him as the Blue Beetle. Dan Garrett was powered by a mystical scarab while digging in Egypt. Yes, he was an archaeologist.

The scarab gave him super-strength, flight, super-vision, energy projection and durability. The original Blue Beetle from Fox Comics had no super-powers.

Kord could not use the scarab, but he was a mad inventor. Ted Kord as the Blue Beetle was very much like Batman, no super-powers but had all the wonderful toys to make him an effective crime fighting hero.

Ted Kord as the Blue Beetle first appeared in Captain Atom #83, but his origin wasn't revealed until this very issue. So, 2nd issue to Kord's 1st titled series and his origin story as well. Not bad!

A very low CGC Census for this comic. I do not expect this comic to have a high amount of copies out there in the world. Charlton had trouble keeping Blue Beetle a surviving character back in the Silver Age. Ted Kord also does not have many appearances during the Silver Age.

So far the highest graded copies are four 9.8s and the total amount of registered copies is only at 38 right now. I do have to say that this comic holding the origin of Ted Kord as Blue Beetle isn't widely that known yet either.

It's pretty over-looked at the moment, or nobody's really making a big deal out of this one yet. Let's see just how under the radar this comic has been.


Overstreet 1982-83 12th Edition
Overstreet 1990-91 20th Edition

Mint: $5.00
Fine: $2.50
Good: $.85

Near Mint: $14
Fine: $6
Good: $2

Overstreet 2002-03 33rd Edition
Overstreet 2015-16 45th Edition

Near Mint: $65
Very Fine/Near Mint: $53
Very Fine: $40
Fine: $18 
Very Good: $12
Good: $6

Near Mint (low): $90
Very Fine/Near Mint: $63
Very Fine: $35
Fine: $15
Very Good: $10
Good: $5

Wow! Talk about a highly over-looked origin key comic or not that well-known comic. Considering that Blue Beetle eventually became part of DC Comics and has enjoyed success with the publisher, this is definitely surprising. 

VF and below grades actually did worse currently than in early 2000. Over-looked? I'd definitely say so. Under-valued? I'll leave that up to you to decide.

Blue Beetle #2 from the 1967 series has the cover date of August, 1967.

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AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #40
1st origin of Green Goblin

One of the most iconic Spidey villains ever, and his origin is finally revealed in this issue here. Norman Osbourne was revealed to be the Green Goblin in ASM #39.

In true comic book villain fashion, Green Goblin explains to Peter Parker why he became the Green Goblin and how he was a work-a-holic, researching an experimental formula that exploded in his face. That formula is later known as the Goblin Formula, and it enhances or augments a person's body and mind.

As we most know by now, the formula is also unstable and causes severe insanity. So, that's how this iconic Marvel villain became about, and this is definitely no sleeper origin key comic.

It's been known for quite awhile, and the highest graded copies are so far 9.8s. There are four of them in the CGC Census. Mine came back a 7.0 last year, and I'm just happy that it didn't come back Restored. Well, when I got it, it was advertised at a FN, so having it come back a bit higher was all good as well.
In 2014, a CGC 9.6 of this copy sold for $6,100 by Pedigree Comics. However, in 2015, a copy at the same grade sold on eBay for only $4,450. Let's see how Overstreet guides this bad boy.


Overstreet 1982-83 12th Edition
Overstreet 1990-91 20th Edition

Mint: $9.00
Fine: $4.50
Good: $1.50

Near Mint: $40
Fine: $17
Good: $5.70

Overstreet 2002-03 33rd Edition
Overstreet 2015-16 45th Edition

Near Mint: $525
Very Fine/Near Mint: $402
Very Fine: $278
Fine: $11
Very Good: $74
Good: $37

Near Mint (low): $950
Very Fine/Near Mint: $612
Very Fine: $274
Fine: $111
Very Good: $74
Good: $37

Another surprising track record for one of the most iconic Spidey villains. Fine and below values were basically stagnant from the 2002-2003 guide to the 2015-2016 guide, and VFs actually did worse? Really?

Well, CGC 8.0s of this comic are selling on eBay in the $300 range since November of 2015, and the last CGC 9.2 sold on eBay was for $930 and also in 2015. Still, this is a major Spidey villain, and I'm a bit surprised that this origin key comic hasn't done better.

Amazing Spider-Man #40 and the first told origin of Green Goblin has the cover date of September, 1966.




When it comes to these origin key comics as investments, there's not many surprises. The only surprise for me is Amazing Spider-Man #40 and the 1st origin of the Green Goblin.

I definitely thought that one would have done a lot better across the board. As for Blue Beetle #2, I wasn't all that surprised that comic has been  over-looked for a long time. Not saying that it isn't a great Blue Beetle key or key comic to invest in, but not surprised it's been under-valued for so long.

I think that one has potential growth for sure as Blue Beetle isn't the most popular DC character, but he's popular enough. His publication history is just not all that well-known. 

Anyways, we got some Bronze and Silver Age origin keys covered here Part 4. Click the Part 5 link to carry on.