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Saturday, November 26, 2016

Carnage Key Issues Part 2

Once again I've been asked to do a Carnage key issues list, and while I did one earlier containing the first three appearances of Cletus Kasady and Carnage, it really wasn't a key issues list per say. More like an intro, so I'm just going to extend on it from that.

This is Part 2, and this is pretty much for fans of Spidey and symbiotes. However, this is will mostly just deal with Carnage and maybe a few of the symbiotes that spawned from the character.

I don't expect it to be a long series, nor will it be. There will be some interesting finds for sure, but most of them in the Modern Age of comics.

Alright, let's get to it, and if you missed Part 1, just click that link to bring ya back.

4th appearance of Carnage
Part 1 to Maximum Carnage x-over event
1st appearance of Shriek

Now, Carnage does appear in flashback in Amazing Spider-Man Annual #26, but it is only a one panel cameo. Therefore and most likely, CGC, CBCS, or Overstreet will note this as the 4th appearance of Carnage if they ever cared to.

The Maximum Carnage x-over event was a highly anticipated fan favorite at the time. It was 14 parts that ran through the first two issues of Unlimited Spider-Man, Web of Spider-Man #101 to #103, Amazing Spider-Man #378 to #380, Spider-Man #35 to #37, and the Spectacular Spider-Man #201 to #203.

This issue is Part 1 to the x-over event, and first introduces Shriek. She is a villainess who has the power to manipulate sound in various ways and a definite foe of Spider-Man.

Doppleganger, Shriek, Demogoblin and Carrion would team up with Carnage to cause, well...Maximum Carnage. Shriek, Carnage and Doppleganger would team up a few times after this x-over event also.

Venom, Ben Reilly Spider-Man, and a few other heroes like Captain America would team up in the series to try to combat Carnage and his super villain alliance. Shriek is pretty much linked to Carnage and the two are lovers. Spider-Man Unlimited #1 has the cover date of May, 1993.

1st appearance of Ravencroft Institute

In the Carnage mythos, Cletus Kasady would find himself in the Ravencroft Institute quite a few times. This institute was founded by Dr. Ashley Kafka and was for the criminally insane.

Dr. Ashley Kafka has treated quite a few Spidey villains at the institute including Vulture, Doctor Octopus, and Chameleon just to name a few. This maximum security facility has shown up a few times in stories about Carnage.

Two of those Carnage stories where this institute appears is in Carnage: Mind Bomb and Carnage: It's A Wonderful Life. Carnage is only shown in this issue in flashback, but not really in the story.

Web of Spider-Man #112 has the cover date of May, 1994.

1st self-titled Carnage comic
1st comic with Carnage as titular character

This is a one-shot and not an on-going series. Unlike Venom, Carnage wouldn't receive his first limited or on-going series for quite a while after his debut.

With that being said, this is the first self-titled Carnage comic, and the 1st comic with Carnage as the titular character. It might be his first solo story though I'm not 100% sure about that.

The 2nd self-titled comic where Carnage is the titular character would also be a one-shot and that comic is Carnage: It's A Wonderful Life that was published later in 1996.

Ashley Kafka and John Jameson would be supporting characters in this one-shot as well as Carnage: It's A Wonder Life. Carnage: Mind Bomb #1 has the cover date of February, 1996.

1st appearance as Spider-Carnage

Spider-Carnage? Yeah, this did happen in comics and for a brief moment when the clone of Peter Parker, Ben Reilly, was Spider-Man and merged with the Carnage symbiote. 

Reilly tried to control the thing for a brief while. This is Part 2 to the Web of Carnage x-over that ran through Sensational Spider-Man #3, Amazing Spider-Man #410, Spider-Man #67, and Spectacular Spider-Man #233.

In the last part of this story-line in Spectacular Spider-Man #233, the Carnage symbiote would return to Cletus Kasady after a fight with Ben Reilly Spider-Man. Not a very long comic career, but in terms of Carnage keys, it did bond with Spider-Clone for a tick and created a new character sort of.

Cover date for Amazing Spider-Man #410 is April, 1996.

1st appearance of Pat Mulligan
Origin of Toxin

Here we have the debut of Pat Mulligan, a pretty important character when it comes to Spidey's symbiote mythos. Pat Mulligan is a New York City cop who would end up becoming the first host of the Toxin symbiote.

He doesn't become the host in this issue, so it's not the first appearance of Toxin. Pat Mulligan over-all doesn't have that many appearances in comics before he dies and the symbiote takes on Eddie Brock as its new host.

Comic is somewhat on the radar, but not in huge demand currently. Estimated print run for this issue is around 56,798, and September, 2004 is the cover date for Venom vs. Carnage #1.

1st appearance of Ultimate Carnage
Death of Ultimate Gwen Stacy

The Ultimate Universe in Marvel Comics or technically called Earth-1610 is the reality that hosts this version of Carnage. The Ultimate Carnage actually does not survive long in this reality and dies only after a few issues.

Ultimate Carnage did not bond with Cletus Kasady, and was a symbiote without a host at first but had the need to feed on the DNA of others. Ultimate Carnage would eventually splinter into a replica or clone of Gwen Stacy.

This clone of Gwen would end up becoming Carnage in this reality. While issue #60 has Carnage on the cover, making it the first cover appearance of Ultimate Carnage, he is not shown in that issue.

The Carnage symbiote does show up in issue #61 but he's growing in some incubator and doesn't fully become Carnage. It's in this issue that the character fully shows up and becomes the character we are all familiar with.

So while some sources say it's issue #60, which Carnage is seen growing only in one panel, this has him fully recognizable and in enough panels to please Overstreet or CGC if they one day desire to note the 1st Ultimate Carnage. 

Ultimate Carnage fully appears in Ultimate Spider-Man #62

Ultimate Gwen Stacy dies in this issue and is killed by Carnage, but she would turn up again sort of. Something to do with Carnage becoming or splintering off into a replica of Stacy from the DNA he fed on and absorbed.

Oh, my! There are 2 Dynamic Forces signed editions. The first is signed by Brian Michael Bendis and is limited to 999 copies.

The 2nd is signed by Scott Hanna and is limited to 1,973 copies. Both DF editions have the same cover as the regular and come with a C.O.A.

I wonder if those DF signed editions are included in the estimated print run of 98,968 of the regular cover. Definitely not a low print book this one is.   

Ultimate Spider-Man #62 has the cover date of September, 2004.

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1st appearance as Toxin (cameo)
Origin of Toxin continued
Symbiote named by Venom

Just like Carnage was the offspring of Venom, this Spidey and Venom villain would also produce off-springs of his own. The first would be Toxin and the third major symbiote in the Spider-Man comics. 

Aside from the other symbiotes like Venom and Carnage, Toxin is the first that Spider-Man actually considers an ally. Carnage immediately felt a hatred and disgust towards Toxin and resolved to kill it.

Carnage was too weak at the time and implanted the newborn into Patrick Mulligan, fully intending to come back and kill the spawn when he was at optimal strength. Oh, and Carnage would come back to kill his spawn, even though grand daddy Venom want to protect his grandchild so his genes can be carried on and become an eventual ally for grand pops.

Although Toxin does not show up yet, it seems Venom already has a name for his grandchild and calls him Toxin when he battles Carnage. Therefore, the symbiote is named in this issue.

In the time that Patrick Mulligan is Toxin's host, he would constantly battle the symbiote urges but use his new found powers as Toxin for good.

He is a major foe for Carnage. Eddie Brock would also be a host for Toxin as well in later comics. Venom vs. Carnage #2 is a pretty over-looked 1st appearance currently. 

If you are a Spidey, Venom and Carnage fan, this might be a good one to definitely be on your want list to hunt down. Toxin only appears on the last page of this comic though, but it is a full page. This issue does show Pat morph into Toxin a little bit as well.

Estimated print run for this comic is around 46,518. Venom vs. Carnage #2 has the cover date of October, 2004.

1st full appearance of Toxin
1st battle between Toxin & Carnage

If we are going by past examples of Overstreet and how they distinguish cameos and 1st full appearances, then this comic definitely has Toxin in more than one full page at the end. This issue also has the first battle between Toxin and Carnage as well.

The two would actually go at it more than once in this issue. This issue currently is quite over-looked. I think most think that Venom vs. Carnage #1 has the first Toxin.

For those who don't buy into the cameo or 1st full and think that a cameo should be considered a 1st regardless, then Venom vs. Carnage #2 is what they're gunning for. However, if you actually care about what Overstreet or CGC might note things in the future, then this issue should be Toxin's 1st full appearance.

So far CGC nor Overstreet is not noting Venom/Carnage #1 as the first appearance of Pat Mulligan, nor are they noting issue #2 as the 1st cameo of Toxin. This issue is also not being noted either, but Toxin is shown more fully and throughout most of the book.

Estimated print run or North American comic shop orders for the year is around 44,862, and Venom vs. Carnage #3 has the cover date of November, 2004 and was released September, 2004.

The character of Ashley Kafka actually appears before the character of Carnage in comic book canon, so since I mentioned the Ravencroft Institute and how the doctor has tried to treat Cletus Kassidy, I might as well throw in her 1st appearance. Ashley Kafka first appeared in The Spectacular Spider-Man #178 back in 1991 and is shown as a psychologist that tried to mentally help Vermin

Ah, Vermin, one of my favorite Spidey villains when I was just collecting comics hardcore. Not really all that connected with the character of Carnage though with the exception of being a Spidey villain. 

Alright, if you're interested in Ultimate Spider-Man #61 and think cameos should just be considered 1st appearances, here's the cover to that issue. Estimated print run is around 101,163, so definitely not a low print book. Not sure about any variants of Dynamic Forces signed editions either.

Here's the panels that reveal a non-fully formed Carnage within issue #61.

So doesn't really show much of Ultimate Carnage. Last page above is the end of issue #61 of Ultimate Spider-Man, and Carnage was created by scientific experiments instead of Venom giving birth to him organically in regular mainstream continuity.

Alright, we've got more Carnage key comics coming up in Part 3, and I'm hoping that part will be the last. See ya there.

1 comment:

  1. Thanks for this! Could you possibly due the keys for Blue Beetle and Nightwing? Thanks for what you do!