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Monday, November 28, 2016

Carnage Key Issues Part 3

Last and final part to this Carnage key issues list. Lots of Modern stuff, and we will cover some variants of certain issues that I could find any info on. Many of these aren't at ridiculous prices currently and depending on what you may think is expensive or not.

Alright, if you missed Part 2, that link will bring ya back. Otherwise, here's the last keys concerning one of the most creepiest and psychotic of symbiotes from Marvel.

1st cameo Clone Gwen Stacy as Carnage?
1st full Clone Gwen Stacy as Carnage?

The 100th issue sees the first time Gwen Stacy becomes Carnage in the Ultimate reality. It pretty much just might be a cameo and she as Carnage shows up on one full page and a panel in the comic.

Not entirely sure if that's enough for a 1st appearance or just a cameo for Overstreet or CGC, but if not, Gwen Stacy as Carnage does show up more fully in the next issue of #101. However, Overstreet doesn't note or recognize this one just yet.

In fact, they don't recognize most 1st appearances from the Ultimate universe, but do note the intro of Eddie Brock and Blackcat. Not sure why that is or isn't.

Pretty sure that this Gwen replica didn't stay Carnage for long anyway, but in this alternate reality, she was the character for a tick. 

Scenes from Ultimate Spider-Man #100

For issue #100, there is a Dynamic Forces signed edition for those who don't care much for variants. It's signed by Mark Bagley and is limited to 1,000 copies. The DF signed edition comes with a Certificate of Authenticity.

There is a 1:10 variant cover for issue #100 as well. Regular cover has an estimated print run of 116,186, so the 1:10 cover might be around 11,600. Not exactly rare.

I don't think issue #101 has any variants, and it's estimated print run is around  78,927.

Ultimate Spider-Man #100 has the cover date of November, 2006, and Ultimate Spider-Man #101 has the cover date of December, 2006.

1st appearance of Tanis Nieves

Tanis Nieves would eventually become the character of Scorn. She is a doctor and the psychiatrist assigned to Shriek in this comic series.

When she loses her arm, she is fitted with an advanced prosthetic arm developed from a piece of the Carnage symbiote but not in this issue. In this issue, she is trying to stop the armored car carrying Shriek, as the villain had been reassigned for unknown purposes that Dr. Nieves wanted to uncover.

Like the other self-titled Carnage series, this one is a limited series that lasted five issues. Estimated print run for the regular cover is around 47,452.

There are a few limited variant covers for issue #1. There's the 1:10 cover by Clayton Crain, the 1:25 cover by Arthur Adams, and the Patrick Zircher variant. Not sure how limited the Zircher variant is, but the 1:25 should be around 1,900 copies.

The 1:10 cover should be around 4,700 to 4,800. Carnage #1 has the cover date of December, 2010.

1st cameo of Tanis Nieves as Carnage

In issue #2, we see that the advanced prosthetic arm merged onto Nieves begins to haunt her with the lust to feed and gets her to smash the tank that the Carnage symbiote is held. The Carnage symbiote does bond with Nieves and she is shown as Carnage at the very end of this issue.

She shows up more fully as Carnage in issue #3, but the Carnage symbiote was just using her to get to Cletus Kasady. Needless to say, Dr. Tanis Nieves doesn't stay Carnage for long and the Carnage symbiote rebonds with Kasady in issue #4 of this Carnage limited series.

Estimated print run for this issue is only around 32,794 for the regular cover. There is a 1:25 retailer incentive variant cover by Arthur Adams, and the estimated print run for that variant should only be around 1,300.

There's also a 2nd printing variant as well, but not sure nor could find any information about print run for that.

We are getting closer to the first appearance of Tanis as Scorn. February, 2011 is the cover date for Carnage #2.

1st appearance Tanis Nieves as Scorn

Finally we see the symbiote fully merge with Tanis Nieves to create the character of Scorn. This spinoff Carnage symbiote briefly merged with Shriek but preferred the original host of Tanis.

Scorn would help Spidey defeat Carnage. Tanis as Scorn is named in this issue as well and was create by Zeb Wells and Clayton Crain.

1st appearance of Scorn in Carnage #5 2010 series

Scorn would later help the Mercury Team fight Carnage in the limited series Carnage USA. Scorn doesn't have that many appearances in comics and not sure why this character isn't used more.

Estimated print run for the regular cover is only around 29,106, and Carnage #5 has the cove date of August, 2011. It is the last issue of this limited series.

1st appearance of Howard Ogden as Riot
1st appearance of Rico Axelson as Phage
1st appearance Marcus Simms and war dog Lasher
1st appearance James Murphy as Agony

Interesting thing here. So the Riot, Phage, Lasher and Agony symbiotes all first appeared in Venom: Lethal Protector #4 but were unnamed. In that comic series, the symbiotes had different hosts and were thought to be killed.

Later these symbiotes would merge to create Hybrid, but when the host died, the government got a hold of them and de-merged them. They were then bonded to The Mercury Team by the U.S. Army after Agent Venom went AWOL.

These symbiotes weren't individually named until this issue and were supposedly later named by fans and the official toy-lines. In this issue, the symbiotes and their hosts are used to help Spidey battle Carnage.

They are not off-shoots of Carnage, but created from the Venom symbiote in an unnatural way. However, since they and their new hosts debut and finally named in this comic, this issue goes in this Carnage key comics list.

Carnage does kill them in the Deadpool vs. Carnage series as well. Estimated print run for issue #2 is 30,378, and Carnage U.S.A #2 has the cover date of March, 2012.

1st issue to another Carnage miniseries

Well, with all the Superior Spider-Man junk that came out, it's no surprise that they had to do a Superior Carnage thing-a-ma-bob as well. Not really so sure what makes this Carnage superior.

The symbiote does bond with Dr. Malus in the series, and the Wizard names him Superior Carnage. The Wizard has Superior Carnage under his control. Supposedly Cletus is basically a vegetable, his mind damaged from the Minimum Carnage x-over story line that ran in the titles Minimum Carnage Alpha, Scarlet Spider, Venom, and Minimum Carnage Omega.

I guess you can already predict what will happen at the end of this series. I won't ruin it for ya in case you're interested in reading this bad boy.

Scorn does make an appearance in issue #5, but I think Shriek is absent from this series. Here we go with variants, variants, variants.

If you like 'em, you like 'em. If you don't, you don't. For this issue there's actually only one, and that's 1:25 retailer incentive cover by Marco Checchetto.

Regular cover by Clayton Crain has an estimated print run of around 48,053, so not a high print run for this issue to begin with. The variant by Marco Checchetto should be around 1,900 copies.

September, 2013  is the cover date of Superior Carnage #1.

1st issue to limited series
1st meeting of Carnage and Deadpool?

Two crazies going at it! Sounds like a series full of nothing but fun. One's a psychotic killer and the other is a psychotic killer that gets paid for doing it.

How can you go wrong, right? Well, in terms of actual key status or anything worth noting for this issue, there isn't much.

I am not quite sure if this is the 1st meeting between Deadpool and Carnage, but it was billed as their 1st meeting by the hype machine back in the day. Whether that's true or not, this is a fan-favorite limited series and loads of gory fun.

The two red suited crazies do duke it out in this issue in a short battle that's carried over into issue #2. Round two is in issue #3.


As usual and since this is a more recent comic sort of, there are a few variants to talk about. I think some of these are already up there in price, but the first one is the Dynamic Forces signed edition that was limited to 425 copies and signed by Cullen Bunn.

Cover is the same as the regular cover, but I do wonder if the 425 copies of the DF signed editions should subtract or add to the estimated print number? Just something I'm curious about.

So the estimated print run or North American comic shop orders for the regular cover is 57,275 which isn't too high. The 1:25 retailer incentive cover by Leinil Francis Yu should then be around 2,200 to 2,300 copies.

There's also a 2nd printing of the regular cover with a blue background. Not sure how much smaller the print run is for that one.

Don't think the market is going overly crazy for this one just yet, so it's a bit over-looked currently. Cover date for Deadpool vs. Carnage #1 is June, 2014.

1st Carnage on-going comic series
1st appearance of Manuela Calderon

Finally we have the 1st on-going Carnage self-titled series. Before this there were one-shots, limited and mini-series, and a couple where Carnage shared the billing with other characters like Venom and Deadpool. 

It sure did take a while for this psychotic Spidey villain to get his own on-going series, but fandom has always been there for the son of Venom. This issue introduces a new supporting and recurring character for this titled series, and that is Manuela Calderon.

Apparently Manuela is the sole survivor of Carnage's first confirmed mass murder and she joined the Army serving three tours in the Afghan War. After her service, she became director of security for Grey Ridge Investments.

Manuela would be used as bait to draw out Carnage, who desired to finish the job of his first mass murder at St. Este's School for Boys years ago. Manuela Calderon was created by Gerry Conway and Mike Perkins.

This series would have Claire Dixon and John Jameson, son of J.Jonah Jameson, as supporting characters as well. Claire Dixon would also become Raze in this comic series and Eddie Brock is Toxin already.

Estimated print run for issue #1 regular cover by Mike Del Mundo is 69,773. There is a Hip Hop Variant Cover by Ariel Ollivetti, and there is a 1:25 retailer incentive cover by Mike Perkins.

Hip Hop variant by Ariel Ollivetti | 1:25 cover by Mike Perkins

1:25 cover by Mike Perkins should be around 2,800 or 3,000. There are also the Phantom variants that paid homage to the cover of ASM #300. There's a colored version, black and white sketch, and a gold variant.

I hear they are limited, but not sure just how much. I do believe these variants were printed up pretty recently, so I don't think they are 1st prints. 

Word is the Phantom Carnage #1 variants were only available in 30 stores. January, 2016 is the cover date for Carnage #1 from the 2016 series.

1st appearance of Jubulile van Scotter

Mike Perkins and Gerry Conway are the creators of the supporting character Jubulile van Scotter. She is a character that was injected by a Darkhold augmented offshoot of the Carnage symbiote hoping to make her his minion.

This ritual seemingly failed, but afterwards, Jubulile did realize that she had changed. However, her symbiote has yet to manifest into a costume, but I believe this character will become yet another symbiote and take full-form like Claire Dixon's Raze or Scorn pretty soon.

We shall see how this character plays out as she is pretty new to the Carnage and Spidey mythos. So, her first appearance is apparently in this comic and she does bond with the Carnage symbiote.

May, 2016 is the cover date for Carnage #6 of the 2016 comic series. Well, the series was released in 2015 but it might be called the 2016 series since the 1st issue had the cover date of January, 2016.

1st appearance of Raze

Created by Gerry Conway and Mike Perkins, this is the issue where Claire Dixon turns into Raze. If you're interested Claire Dixon first debuted in All-New, All-Different Marvel Point One.

Once again the Darkhold is involved with this augmented symbiote, and the character was spawned by Carnage so it goes here on this key issues list. Raze is pretty much a new character, so we'll have to see if this character catches on when it comes to fandom.

Currently, it's not that under the radar, but not in huge demand either. High-grade CGCs have yet made it to market currently. Not sure if there are variants of this issue and could not find any info regarding that as of yet.

Could be a major player in the future, or could not be. Only time will tell.

Estimated print run for this issue is not very high and around 21,829. Carnage #10 of the 2016 series has a cover date of September, 2016.

Venom #17 from the 2011 comic series has the 1st appearance of Eddie Brock as Toxin in a cameo at the very last page of the comic. He shows up in a full appearance in the next issue as Toxin and has a go with Agent Venom.

Venom #17 also has the first appearance of the Savage Six, headed by Crime Master and included members such as Jack O' Lantern, Human Fly, and Death Adder. Regular cover of that issue has a print run of around 30,157. The Kev Walker variant is a 1:20 and should be around 1,500.

Since I already mentioned them, we all know of John Jameson, and he's the son of J. Jonah Jameson. The two first appeared in Amazing Spider-Man #1 of the 1st series. Here's the cover to All-New, All-Different Marvel Point One that has the first appearance of Claire Dixon if you're interested in Modern key issues.

There's also the Axix: Carnage three issue limited series that came out in 2014. Issue #1 has the 1st appearance of a new supernatural Sin-Eater.

I grew up reading the original Stanley Carter version of Sin-Eater. The new version doesn't last long either and bites the dust in issue #3 of that limited series I think.

Saturday, November 26, 2016

Carnage Key Issues Part 2

Once again I've been asked to do a Carnage key issues list, and while I did one earlier containing the first three appearances of Cletus Kasady and Carnage, it really wasn't a key issues list per say. More like an intro, so I'm just going to extend on it from that.

This is Part 2, and this is pretty much for fans of Spidey and symbiotes. However, this is will mostly just deal with Carnage and maybe a few of the symbiotes that spawned from the character.

I don't expect it to be a long series, nor will it be. There will be some interesting finds for sure, but most of them in the Modern Age of comics.

Alright, let's get to it, and if you missed Part 1, just click that link to bring ya back.

4th appearance of Carnage
Part 1 to Maximum Carnage x-over event
1st appearance of Shriek

Now, Carnage does appear in flashback in Amazing Spider-Man Annual #26, but it is only a one panel cameo. Therefore and most likely, CGC, CBCS, or Overstreet will note this as the 4th appearance of Carnage if they ever cared to.

The Maximum Carnage x-over event was a highly anticipated fan favorite at the time. It was 14 parts that ran through the first two issues of Unlimited Spider-Man, Web of Spider-Man #101 to #103, Amazing Spider-Man #378 to #380, Spider-Man #35 to #37, and the Spectacular Spider-Man #201 to #203.

This issue is Part 1 to the x-over event, and first introduces Shriek. She is a villainess who has the power to manipulate sound in various ways and a definite foe of Spider-Man.

Doppleganger, Shriek, Demogoblin and Carrion would team up with Carnage to cause, well...Maximum Carnage. Shriek, Carnage and Doppleganger would team up a few times after this x-over event also.

Venom, Ben Reilly Spider-Man, and a few other heroes like Captain America would team up in the series to try to combat Carnage and his super villain alliance. Shriek is pretty much linked to Carnage and the two are lovers. Spider-Man Unlimited #1 has the cover date of May, 1993.

1st appearance of Ravencroft Institute

In the Carnage mythos, Cletus Kasady would find himself in the Ravencroft Institute quite a few times. This institute was founded by Dr. Ashley Kafka and was for the criminally insane.

Dr. Ashley Kafka has treated quite a few Spidey villains at the institute including Vulture, Doctor Octopus, and Chameleon just to name a few. This maximum security facility has shown up a few times in stories about Carnage.

Two of those Carnage stories where this institute appears is in Carnage: Mind Bomb and Carnage: It's A Wonderful Life. Carnage is only shown in this issue in flashback, but not really in the story.

Web of Spider-Man #112 has the cover date of May, 1994.

1st self-titled Carnage comic
1st comic with Carnage as titular character

This is a one-shot and not an on-going series. Unlike Venom, Carnage wouldn't receive his first limited or on-going series for quite a while after his debut.

With that being said, this is the first self-titled Carnage comic, and the 1st comic with Carnage as the titular character. It might be his first solo story though I'm not 100% sure about that.

The 2nd self-titled comic where Carnage is the titular character would also be a one-shot and that comic is Carnage: It's A Wonderful Life that was published later in 1996.

Ashley Kafka and John Jameson would be supporting characters in this one-shot as well as Carnage: It's A Wonder Life. Carnage: Mind Bomb #1 has the cover date of February, 1996.

1st appearance as Spider-Carnage

Spider-Carnage? Yeah, this did happen in comics and for a brief moment when the clone of Peter Parker, Ben Reilly, was Spider-Man and merged with the Carnage symbiote. 

Reilly tried to control the thing for a brief while. This is Part 2 to the Web of Carnage x-over that ran through Sensational Spider-Man #3, Amazing Spider-Man #410, Spider-Man #67, and Spectacular Spider-Man #233.

In the last part of this story-line in Spectacular Spider-Man #233, the Carnage symbiote would return to Cletus Kasady after a fight with Ben Reilly Spider-Man. Not a very long comic career, but in terms of Carnage keys, it did bond with Spider-Clone for a tick and created a new character sort of.

Cover date for Amazing Spider-Man #410 is April, 1996.

1st appearance of Pat Mulligan
Origin of Toxin

Here we have the debut of Pat Mulligan, a pretty important character when it comes to Spidey's symbiote mythos. Pat Mulligan is a New York City cop who would end up becoming the first host of the Toxin symbiote.

He doesn't become the host in this issue, so it's not the first appearance of Toxin. Pat Mulligan over-all doesn't have that many appearances in comics before he dies and the symbiote takes on Eddie Brock as its new host.

Comic is somewhat on the radar, but not in huge demand currently. Estimated print run for this issue is around 56,798, and September, 2004 is the cover date for Venom vs. Carnage #1.

1st appearance of Ultimate Carnage
Death of Ultimate Gwen Stacy

The Ultimate Universe in Marvel Comics or technically called Earth-1610 is the reality that hosts this version of Carnage. The Ultimate Carnage actually does not survive long in this reality and dies only after a few issues.

Ultimate Carnage did not bond with Cletus Kasady, and was a symbiote without a host at first but had the need to feed on the DNA of others. Ultimate Carnage would eventually splinter into a replica or clone of Gwen Stacy.

This clone of Gwen would end up becoming Carnage in this reality. While issue #60 has Carnage on the cover, making it the first cover appearance of Ultimate Carnage, he is not shown in that issue.

The Carnage symbiote does show up in issue #61 but he's growing in some incubator and doesn't fully become Carnage. It's in this issue that the character fully shows up and becomes the character we are all familiar with.

So while some sources say it's issue #60, which Carnage is seen growing only in one panel, this has him fully recognizable and in enough panels to please Overstreet or CGC if they one day desire to note the 1st Ultimate Carnage. 

Ultimate Carnage fully appears in Ultimate Spider-Man #62

Ultimate Gwen Stacy dies in this issue and is killed by Carnage, but she would turn up again sort of. Something to do with Carnage becoming or splintering off into a replica of Stacy from the DNA he fed on and absorbed.

Oh, my! There are 2 Dynamic Forces signed editions. The first is signed by Brian Michael Bendis and is limited to 999 copies.

The 2nd is signed by Scott Hanna and is limited to 1,973 copies. Both DF editions have the same cover as the regular and come with a C.O.A.

I wonder if those DF signed editions are included in the estimated print run of 98,968 of the regular cover. Definitely not a low print book this one is.   

Ultimate Spider-Man #62 has the cover date of September, 2004.

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1st appearance as Toxin (cameo)
Origin of Toxin continued
Symbiote named by Venom

Just like Carnage was the offspring of Venom, this Spidey and Venom villain would also produce off-springs of his own. The first would be Toxin and the third major symbiote in the Spider-Man comics. 

Aside from the other symbiotes like Venom and Carnage, Toxin is the first that Spider-Man actually considers an ally. Carnage immediately felt a hatred and disgust towards Toxin and resolved to kill it.

Carnage was too weak at the time and implanted the newborn into Patrick Mulligan, fully intending to come back and kill the spawn when he was at optimal strength. Oh, and Carnage would come back to kill his spawn, even though grand daddy Venom want to protect his grandchild so his genes can be carried on and become an eventual ally for grand pops.

Although Toxin does not show up yet, it seems Venom already has a name for his grandchild and calls him Toxin when he battles Carnage. Therefore, the symbiote is named in this issue.

In the time that Patrick Mulligan is Toxin's host, he would constantly battle the symbiote urges but use his new found powers as Toxin for good.

He is a major foe for Carnage. Eddie Brock would also be a host for Toxin as well in later comics. Venom vs. Carnage #2 is a pretty over-looked 1st appearance currently. 

If you are a Spidey, Venom and Carnage fan, this might be a good one to definitely be on your want list to hunt down. Toxin only appears on the last page of this comic though, but it is a full page. This issue does show Pat morph into Toxin a little bit as well.

Estimated print run for this comic is around 46,518. Venom vs. Carnage #2 has the cover date of October, 2004.

1st full appearance of Toxin
1st battle between Toxin & Carnage

If we are going by past examples of Overstreet and how they distinguish cameos and 1st full appearances, then this comic definitely has Toxin in more than one full page at the end. This issue also has the first battle between Toxin and Carnage as well.

The two would actually go at it more than once in this issue. This issue currently is quite over-looked. I think most think that Venom vs. Carnage #1 has the first Toxin.

For those who don't buy into the cameo or 1st full and think that a cameo should be considered a 1st regardless, then Venom vs. Carnage #2 is what they're gunning for. However, if you actually care about what Overstreet or CGC might note things in the future, then this issue should be Toxin's 1st full appearance.

So far CGC nor Overstreet is not noting Venom/Carnage #1 as the first appearance of Pat Mulligan, nor are they noting issue #2 as the 1st cameo of Toxin. This issue is also not being noted either, but Toxin is shown more fully and throughout most of the book.

Estimated print run or North American comic shop orders for the year is around 44,862, and Venom vs. Carnage #3 has the cover date of November, 2004 and was released September, 2004.

The character of Ashley Kafka actually appears before the character of Carnage in comic book canon, so since I mentioned the Ravencroft Institute and how the doctor has tried to treat Cletus Kassidy, I might as well throw in her 1st appearance. Ashley Kafka first appeared in The Spectacular Spider-Man #178 back in 1991 and is shown as a psychologist that tried to mentally help Vermin

Ah, Vermin, one of my favorite Spidey villains when I was just collecting comics hardcore. Not really all that connected with the character of Carnage though with the exception of being a Spidey villain. 

Alright, if you're interested in Ultimate Spider-Man #61 and think cameos should just be considered 1st appearances, here's the cover to that issue. Estimated print run is around 101,163, so definitely not a low print book. Not sure about any variants of Dynamic Forces signed editions either.

Here's the panels that reveal a non-fully formed Carnage within issue #61.

So doesn't really show much of Ultimate Carnage. Last page above is the end of issue #61 of Ultimate Spider-Man, and Carnage was created by scientific experiments instead of Venom giving birth to him organically in regular mainstream continuity.

Alright, we've got more Carnage key comics coming up in Part 3, and I'm hoping that part will be the last. See ya there.