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Sunday, August 21, 2016

Recent Spider-Man Homecoming Rumors

Gerry was just talking to me about this yesterday at Stockton Con, and apparently there's quite a bit of rumors floating around this flick as expected. Recently a supposed cast list was leaked online, and that escalated the possibility that the Shocker could be in Spider-Man Homecoming.

For a little bit there, speculation has been surrounding the unnamed character that actor Bokeem Woodbine would be playing in the movie. However, this list that was tweeted by an apparent paparazzi has the actor identified as Herman Shultz also known as the Shocker. 

The Shocker has been a long-time villain in Marvel Comics and known for causing mischief for many other superheroes in the Marvel Universe also. His gauntlets can release blasts of compressed air that vibrates at such an intense frequency they can crumble solid concrete or even damage internal organs within the human body. 

He first started as a villain for Spidey though, and his 1st appearance is in Amazing Spider-Man #46 and was created by Stan Lee and John Romita, Sr. back in 1967.

His debut in Amazing Spider-Man #46 also saw the Shocker's origin story as well. A pretty brief origin story, but his first origin nonetheless in comics. Here are the panels of the Shocker's origin story below in Amazing Spider-Man #46.

The villain really was not used all that much during the Silver Age. Herman Shultz as the Shocker next appeared in Amazing Spider-Man #72 back in 1969. Both CGC and Overstreet neglect the 2nd appearance notation for Amazing Spider-Man #72 currently.

Another character of interest that has been spotlighted is that of Silk or Cindy Moon. The list does have that a character named Cindy will be played by Chinese-American actress Tiffany Espensen

If you're wondering about the last name, Espensen was born in China and adopted by American parents. She is 17 years old.

Of course, the first superhero to point to concerning a Spidey character that's Asian American and named Cindy is that of Cindy Moon. If this list ends up legit, Cindy Moon in the film may just be an Easter Egg or nod to the comic character or she could eventually Silk-out on the big screen.

After all, they did do that with the character of Jubilee in the X-Men movie franchise, and that character went widely unnoticed for quite a while. However, Silk's origin is tied to Peter Parker and the origin of Spider-Man in the comics, and it's been clear that the rebooted Spider-Man franchise will skip the origin deal. Could very well dismiss the comics, and this character might not share the same origin on the big screen like in the comics.

So there's a slight chance we could have a Silk in our midst on the big screen, or the movie franchise could twist things around and have it that Cindy Moon is just a normal high-school student if that is indeed the role Tiffany Espensen wlll play. Who knows at this time, but the character of Cindy Moon and not as Silk has a better than average chance of being in the film if they just didn't use the name of Cindy to throw off speculators.

Cindy Moon first appeared as herself but unnamed in Amazing Spider-Man #1 volume 3. She was also shown only in flashback and it was a cameo in this 1st issue. 

She obviously shares the same origin of Spidey in this comic and was apparently also bitten by the same spider that bit Peter Parker. Her face is concealed until issue #4 of the series.

The character was apparently addressed by the name of Cindy in Amazing Spider-Man #3 volume 3 or the 2014 series, and once again, she is never fully shown in that issue and her face is concealed like in issue #1. 

Her 1st full appearance as both Cindy Moon and Silk is in Amazing Spider-Man #4 of the 2014 comic series. Both her face and full name are revealed in that issue. She does name herself Silk for the first time as seen in the panels below, and the character was recently created by Dan Slott and Humberto Ramos

Good chance this character could be part of Spider-Man Homecoming. As Silk though, that's a slighter chance, but still a possibility. We shall see. Here's her face reveal and when she calls herself Silk.

Betty Brandt is also on this list. Betty Brandt is a character that has already made her big screen debut in the first Spider-Man flick and played by the gorgeous Elizabeth Banks.

Angourie Rice is supposedly noted on this list to play Betty Brandt, but in the comics, Peter Parker did not meet the character of Betty Brandt until he becomes a freelance photographer at the Daily Bugle. They met in the same issue that introduced Betty in Amazing Spider-Man #4, which also debuted the iconic Spidey villain the Sandman as well. 

She is called Miss Brant in this issue and was not named Betty until the next issue of #5. Here's her 1st appearance in ASM #4

Betty Brandt was obviously not Peter Parker's high-school classmate in the comics, but given that this actress is only 15 years old and if this list is for real, the character could be one of Peter's high-school pals. While we all know Hollyweird can twist things up, Betty Brandt might not be the beloved character who works for J.Jonah Jameson at the Daily Bugle, especially if we take a look at the next character. 

Spidey fans, we all know of Ned Leeds, or we ought to. Classic character in the Spidey comics, but it looks like we'll be getting another warped version in this reboot.

Ned Leeds is also a character that Peter Parker first met at the Daily Bugle. As most Spidey fans know, Ned Leeds was first introduced in the pages of Amazing Spider-Man #18, and Jacob Batalon was confirmed to play a character called Ned.

Now, as fans, we can put one and one together and assume this is Ned Leeds from the Spider-Man mythos, but I dunno there. The casting choice is definitely a departure from the source material, but not like that hasn't been before. 

Once again, Jacob Batalon is a young teen actor, and in this reboot and if Watt's wasn't just trying to throw us off track, he's most-likely reduced to a high-school student instead of a reporter at the Daily Bugle.

In the comics, Leeds and Parker often competed for the affections of Betty Brandt. In later comics, it was revealed that Ned Leeds was the Hobgoblin, but this was later retconned by creator of the Hobgoblin Roger Sterns.

Apparently Roger Sterns had left the Amazing Spider-Man series before the big reveal or unmasking of the villain in Amazing Spider-Man #289. Sterns was not happy that Ned Leeds was the Hobgoblin and later got approval to dismiss this and write a story that revealed Leeds was brain washed by Roderick Kingsley, the true Hobgoblin, to take the fall in three issue limited series Spider-Man: Hobgoblin Lives.

In looking at the young actor, the Hobgoblin has a good chance of not being in the rebooted franchise, or if by a miracle, we'll get a very strange version of the villain indeed and probably one I have no wish to see now.

The cast of Spider-Man Homecoming has already drawn a lot of criticism from comic fans and not a big surprise there. Recent rumor has it that Mary Jane Watson will be played by 19 year old Zendaya Coleman.

Zendaya is half African-American and half white with Scottish and German ancestry. Fans outbursts and most likely threatening, insulting, and probably cyber-bullying racist remarks at the rumor has led James Gunn to comment on Facebook recently:

James Gunn (August 19): 

"People get upset when something they consider intrinsic to a comic book character changes when adapted for a film. I get this. There are movies I dislike because I think there's a basic misunderstanding of the story or the character when the comic is transferred to film (I still hate how in the first Batman movie the Joker was revealed as the murderer of Bruce Wayne's parents, for instance.)

That said, I do not believe a character is the color of his or her skin. When Michael B Jordan was cast as Johnny Storm I didn't understand the uproar. The primary characteristic of Johnny was not, to me, that he was white, or that he had blonde hair, but that he was a fiery, funny, big-mouthed braggart of a hero. I was happy that he was going to be played by one of the finest and most charming young actors out there.

Yesterday, a rumor broke out that the character of Mary Jane was being played by a young black woman, Zendaya, and all hell broke out on the Internet (again). I tweeted that if people find themselves complaining about Mary Jane's ethnicity they have lives that are too good. (For those of you who think this means I'm confirming that Zendaya IS playing MJ, realize that although I've read the Spidey script, and I've met the actress in question, I have no idea what her role is. There's a good chance someone told me at one time or another, but, if so, I can't remember. I'm going to find out when I go into Marvel this afternoon, but I feel free to speak until that time because it's about the concept about a black woman playing Mary Jane, not the actuality or hypothesis of it.)

I got a thousand or so responses to my tweet. Most of them were positive. Some folks disagreed - they thought the character should look like what she looks like in the comics - but were thoughtful. And a handful were flat out racist.

I can't respond to the racists - I'm not ever going to change their minds. But for the thoughtful majority of you out there:

For me, if a character's primary attribute - the thing that makes them iconic - is the color of their skin, or their hair color, frankly, that character is shallow and sucks. For me, what makes MJ MJ is her alpha female playfulness, and if the actress captures that, then she'll work. And, for the record, I think Zendaya even matches what I think of as MJ's primary physical characteristics - she's a tall, thin model - much more so than actresses have in the past.

Whatever the case, if we're going to continue to make movies based on the almost all white heroes and supporting characters from the comics of the last century, we're going to have to get used to them being more reflective of our diverse present world. Perhaps we can be open to the idea that, although someone may not initially match how we personally conceive a character, we can be - and often are - happily surprised."

Well, whether you agree or disagree, Mary Jane Watson first appeared much like Cindy Moon where her face was not revealed in her earliest appearances. She was first mentioned in Amazing Spider-Man #15 but not shown, and that comic also holds the 1st appearance of Kraven the Hunter.

In Amazing Spider-Man #25, she briefly shows up but her face is not shown. I think she shows up in 2 panels in this comic. The 2nd time is when she is walking down the street and her face is still unseen.

Panels from Amazing Spider-Man #25
Then she shows up briefly again in Amazing Spider-Man #38 for her 2nd brief appearance. Her face was also not shown in issue #38.

Panels from Amazing Spider-Man #38

Finally, her face is shown in one panel in Amazing Spider-Man #42. Overstreet notes this issue as her 3rd appearance and 1st time her face is shown. CGC just notes it as 1st time her face is revealed.

From Amazing Spider-Man #42

Unlike Silk, I don't think CGC or Overstreet notes a 1st full appearance for the character, but sellers are questionably noting Amazing Spider-Man #42 as such. ASM #42 also has the 2nd appearance of Rhino.
Mary Jane's 1st cover appearance is on the issue of Amazing Spider-Man #59. The character is well-known as being Peter Parker's most popular love interest, and the two would eventually get married in the comic series.

She is an iconic Spidey character for sure, but maybe Zendaya might be better than Kirsten Dunst. Maybe not.

However, the actress is listed as a character named Michelle and Watts said Zendaya was playing a character named Michelle at SDCC. Then again, Revolari's character was listed as Manuelle and really doesn't look like a Flash Thompson.

In the case of Zendaya's role, there is a character named Michelle Gonzales in the Spider-Man mythos. Her character might of made her 1st appearance in Amazing Spider-Man Extra #3 and that comic precedes Amazing Spider-Man #592.  

I do not know how much the character shows up in Amazing Spider-Man Extra #3. It might be a cameo, a brief, or a 1st full. Amazing Spider-Man #592 only features her in 3 panels.

Michelle Gonzales was a lover of Peter Parker, and the reboot franchise might go with this character as a supporting high-schooler even though the character did not attend high-school with Parker in the comics. Not the first time the movies have twisted things.

So, Zendaya might not even be Mary Jane Watson as some reports are concluding. Then again, there just might be a rouse in play to jerk us around and actor and singer might be the famed character.  

Personally, I just want a good if not great Spidey reboot. We all know Tom Holland is Spidey as seen in Captain America Civil War and that Michael Keaton will be Adrian Toomes better known as the Vulture. Amazing Fantasy #15 is Spidey's 1st appearance and origin and Amazing Spider-Man #2 is the Vulture's 1st and origin.

Jacob Batalon is confirmed as a character named Ned by director Jon Watts. Here's an interview with the main cast and director.


Aunt May is definitely Marisa Tomei. No doubt about that there.

Michael Chernus has been confirmed as the Tinkerer or Phineas Mason, and his first is also in Amazing Spider-Man #2.

Director Jon Watts sort of confirmed Flash Thompson as well as Liz Allen at SDCC this year and both characters 1st appear in Amazing Spider-Man #1 of the 1st series. The character of Flash Thompson will be played by actor Tony Revolori and Laura Harrier will be Liz Allen if Watts wasn't pulling our chains.

Cindy Moon might have a better than average chance of being in the flick but it might not even be the character since they have used misleading casting names to throw off speculators in the past.

Furthermore, if this is true and Cindy Moon is confirmed, her degree of participation would be in question. Nothing yet has been confirmed, and although Bokeem Woodbine is already listed at IMDb as the Shocker, it has yet to have been confirmed by Marvel, the actor, director or producers.

James Gunn has neither confirmed nor denied that Zendaya is Mary Jane Watson despite recent reports that her role has been revealed as such. The character is still named as "Michelle". 

Marvel has yet to confirm the role as well, but looking at the diversity of the cast, it could have some merit.

Then again, maybe we won't be getting a Mary Jane until later? That's also possible.


  1. If silk is in the movie that be awesome. A hard to find copy with her is the silk 1 comicpro variant. JW

    1. Cool, thanks for that info JW. Will have to take a looksie at that one and see what's up! How's everything going with the new move?

  2. What would be a decent price to pay for a A. S. 4 (First app. Silk) in NM, ungraded? I know you hate those questions, T.C.M., but I could get a NM copy for 30 - so I gotta be quick, and I dunno what the price development on gocollect says... Come one, help your ole bro just one more time. Promise, not gonna ask for decent prices again.


    1. The same...around $30 for CGC 9.4 regular cover.

  3. Thanx man! Appreciate it! I think I' m gonna spend my money on something else. I just don't see this becoming a 100 dollar book just yet.


  4. Didn't know you were from CA I was working the CBCS booth at Stockton con. Hope the shocker shows up even if it just bumps the price of the book for a short time

    1. Hey, yeah, Gerry n I saw your banner up while up in the seats eating lunch and later walked by your table in the corner of the arena to see if CBCS was really there. We didn't know CBCS was gonna be at Stockton Con. Gerry woulda brought some books to submit if he had known.

  5. No one really knew. I guess they were asked at SDCC so only a month in advance with not much promotion. Still had a decent turn out. One guy submitted some higher grade silver age keys. One of the nicest first apps of ant man I've ever seen. You going to SF?

    1. Nope, I'll be out of the country and will miss that one by a hair.

  6. There was a hypothesis that Spider-Man: Homecoming would be following the Ultimate SPider-Man storyline. To me this makes sense and would also allow them to mix in Prowler and give a nod to Miles Morales.