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Wednesday, August 24, 2016

Non 1st appearance Origin Key Comics Part 11


We are going to make a brief return to this series, and look at some 1st origin keys that doesn't have the 1st appearance of the character whose origin in revealed in the key comic. Yeah, I know, gotta always put some kind of twist to it.

Well, we shall take look at how they have done during the decades compared to recent times, and in this Part 11, I will include the 2014, 2015, and 2016 Overstreet values to see how they've done in the last 3 years as well as the last 3 decades.

So onward with this series!

PART 1 | PART 2 | PART 3 | PART 4 | PART 5 | PART 6 | PART 7 | PART 8 | PART 9 | PART 10 | PART 11 | PART 12





THE CROW #4
Origin of the Crow

Let's get into something different here. The Crow made his 1st appearance in Caliber Presents #1, and then this self-titled series came out.

The actual comics are extremely different than the hit movie that came out during the 90s. I actually saw the movie first and then read the collected graphic novel that came out shortly.

However, it's hinted throughout the series that the Crow or Eric Draven is seeking revenge for the brutal murder of his girlfriend Shelly. The origin of how Eric Draven and Shelly are murdered and Eric becoming the Crow isn't revealed until this issue.

So, yeah, it is an origin key comic and not noted by CGC. They just note it as a last issue, but like I said, it is an origin key for Eric Draven and how he becomes the Crow. I think this issue isn't all that well-known by most and probably over-looked by the masses currently.

Overstreet isn't noting it as such either, but I do think it should be noted. The first printing published by Caliber Press has an estimated print run of 12,000 copies. It's the highest print run of the series. 

So far there are only 13 CGC 9.8s in the CGC Census so far, which isn't a lot. Here's how Overstreet has recorded the values of this issue.

Overstreet 1982-83 12th Edition
Overstreet 1990-91 20th Edition

Mint: $0
Fine: $0
Good: $0

Mint: $2.00
Fine: $1.00
Good: $.35

Overstreet 2002-03 33rd Edition
Overstreet 2014-15 44th Edition

Near Mint: $25
Very Fine/Near Mint: $21
Very Fine: $17
Fine: $9
Very Good: $6
Good: $3

Near Mint (low): $50
Very Fine/Near Mint: $37
Very Fine: $23
Fine: $12
Very Good: $8
Good: $4

Overstreet 2015-16 45th Edition
Overstreet 2016-17 46th Edition

Near Mint: $55
Very Fine/Near Mint: $40
Very Fine: $25
Fine: $12
Very Good: $8
Good: $4

Near Mint (low): $60
Very Fine/Near Mint: $44
Very Fine: $27
Fine: $12
Very Good: $8
Good: $4

The 4th issue of the Crow does not have 2nd or third printings. This origin according to Overstreet seems to be over-looked but how is it doing concerning slabbed CGC copies?

Let's take a look for the hell of it and what we can since I doubt there'll be many or any sales not in the NM range.

The only grade we can compare are 9.0 VF/NMs. A CGC sale back in 2013 on eBay sold for $75 compared to 2016-2017 guide of $44.

Overstreet has 9.2s clocked at $60 in the most recent guide, but a CGC 9.2 sold on eBay for $190.50 and was bid on 23 times back in May of this year.

However, a raw copy and 1st printing of the Crow #4 sold on eBay in July for only $17.57. Seller claimed that he or she believed it was NM, and had another 1st print copy sell for only $22.48 in the same month. I'm guessing raw copies do sell for less than guide on eBay.

The Crow #4 has the cover date of May, 1989. 

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X-FACTOR #24
1st origin of Apocalypse
1st full appearance of Archangel

Noted as the origin of Apocalypse, this comic is actually the first origin for the character. It is a pretty brief and freeze-dried origin, but it still counts as such.

Of course, the origin of the character will later be expanded on in further detail in the Rise of Apocalypse comic series. So, this does have a first full appearance, but it's of Archangel and not Apocalypse.

Apocalypse's 1st cameo is in X-Factor #5, and his 1st full is in X-Factor #6. This comic saw heat with the hype of the X-Men Apocalypse movie, but it's now starting to plunge further down and away from the $200 mark or near it.

Before we get into that, let's look at Overstreet data as usual.

Overstreet 1982-83 12th Edition
Overstreet 1990-91 20th Edition

Mint: $0
Fine: $0
Good: $0

Mint: $2.50
Fine: $1.25
Good: $.40

Overstreet 2002-03 33rd Edition
Overstreet 2014-15 44th Edition

Near Mint: $9
Very Fine/Near Mint: $8
Very Fine: $6
Fine: $3
Very Good: $2
Good: $1

Near Mint (low): $40
Very Fine/Near Mint: $30
Very Fine: $19
Fine: $9
Very Good: $6
Good: $3

Overstreet 2015-16 45th Edition
Overstreet 2016-17 46th Edition

Near Mint: $50
Very Fine/Near Mint: $37
Very Fine: $23
Fine: $12
Very Good: $8
Good: $4

Near Mint (low): $50
Very Fine/Near Mint: $37
Very Fine: $23
Fine: $12
Very Good: $8
Good: $4

Compare Overstreet grades with what their CGC counterparts are selling for on average on eBay? Sure, why not!

GoCollect CGC eBay sales 2016
Overstreet 2016-17 46th Edition

Near Mint (low): $38.80
Very Fine/Near Mint: $35.80
Very Fine: $29.85
Fine: $7.50
Very Good: $ no data
Good: $ no data

Near Mint (low): $50
Very Fine/Near Mint: $37
Very Fine: $23
Fine: $12
Very Good: $8
Good: $4

Yikes! This key comic is just doing worse and worse from when I sold my CGC 9.6 copy last year even if guide says other wise.
  
Way too many speculating on a Copper Age comic that is pretty plentiful in the market. However, it is a non 1st appearance origin key comic for Apocalypse at least, so it goes on this list.

Looks like a lot of people are dumping than buying for this key origin comic, and there seems to be quite a bit of high grade copies in the CGC Census already. However, it's less than I actually expected, and compared to CGC 9.8s for NYX #3 that are already up to 1,112 in the census, X-Factor #24 CGC 9.8s are much lower.


X-Factor #24 has the cover date of January, 1988.






X-23 #1-4
1st origin of X-23
1st headlining comic


Back to this comic again. As most who have been following the market know, X-23 became a pretty popular character when word of her being in the next Wolverine installment hit the net this year.

The character is another one who does not reveal her origin in her 1st appearance in NYX #3. Also featured in the X-23 Key Issues post, X-23 #1-4 has the character's 1st origin story. 

Her origin is once again revisited in the Target X limited series. Another important thing about this series featured in this post is that this is the 1st headlining comic series for Laura Kinney or X-23 even if it is a limited series.

Issue #1 does have variants or 2nd printings. The Red variant has an estimated print run of about 27,538, but there is a Dynamic Forces signature version of the 1B variant that's supposedly limited to 499 copies. 

If you're into variants and signed comics, the DF signature edition may be one to consider. It comes with a Certificate of Authenticity also.

Concerning the CGC Census I doubt there will be many submitted copies of even the 1st issue, but there's already 284 registered 9.8s already.

I also don't expect it to have a great Overstreet track record either and even for issue #1. Overstreet values are for regular cover to #1 only.

Overstreet 2014-15 44th Edition
Overstreet 2015-16 45th Edition

Near Mint: $4.00
Very Fine/Near Mint: $0
Very Fine: $0
Fine: $0
Very Good: $0
Good: $0

Near Mint (low): $4.00
Very Fine/Near Mint: $0
Very Fine: $0
Fine: $0
Very Good: $0
Good: $0

OVERSTREET 2016-17 46th Edition
Near Mint (low): $6.00
Very Fine/Near Mint: $0
Very Fine: $0
Fine: $0
Very Good: $0
Good: $0

There are no NM 9.2 slabbed sales on eBay as of yet. However, in July of this year, a CGC 9.4 sold on eBay for $43 bucks. In April of this year, a CGC 9.0 sold for $18.50.

Alright, when it comes to the variant of the 1st issue or commonly called the 2nd print red variant, it is slightly a different story for the most part concerning Overstreet values. There is actually an increase that's pretty close to what they're selling on eBay currently, though NM- raw copies probably sell for less now and NM+ raw copies sell more at Overstreet's Guided value of $18 on average.

Let's see what Overstreet clocked this red variant at.

Overstreet 2014-15 44th Edition
Overstreet 2015-16 45th Edition

Near Mint: $5.00
Very Fine/Near Mint: $0
Very Fine: $0
Fine: $0
Very Good: $0
Good: $0

Near Mint (low): $5.00
Very Fine/Near Mint: $0
Very Fine: $0
Fine: $0
Very Good: $0
Good: $0

OVERSTREET 2016-17 46th Edition
Near Mint (low): $18
Very Fine/Near Mint: $14
Very Fine: $10
Fine: $6
Very Good: $4
Good: $2

Issue #2 has a sketch variant that has an estimated print run of about 21,548. For more information about these comics, visit this X-23 Key Comics link.

X-23 #1-4 was published from March to July in 2005, and it is the 1st origin of the character.






X-MEN #49
1st origin of Beast begins
1st appearance of Lorna Dane (Polaris)


While this comic is mostly wanted or sought out because it has the 1st appearance of Lorna Dane or Polaris, the 2nd stories in issues #49 through #53 tell the origins of Beast or Hank McCoy.

This issue obviously kick starts this origin story and begins with Hank's life before the X-Men. X-Men #53 sees how Hank meets the X-Men and comes to join them.

So not a widely known key notation of importance for X-Men #49. As we all know, Hank McCoy 1st appeared as Beast in X-Men #1 in which Jean Grey 1st joins the team.


Overstreet 1982-83 12th Edition
Overstreet 1990-91 20th Edition

Mint: $4.00
Fine: $2.00
Good: $.70

Mint: $20
Fine: $8.50
Good: $2.85

Overstreet 2002-03 33rd Edition
Overstreet 2014-15 44th Edition

Near Mint: $105
Very Fine/Near Mint: $83
Very Fine: $61
Fine: $24
Very Good: $16
Good: $8

Near Mint (low): $200
Very Fine/Near Mint: $132
Very Fine: $68
Fine: $30
Very Good: $20
Good: $10

Overstreet 2015-16 45th Edition
Overstreet 2016-17 46th Edition

Near Mint: $200
Very Fine/Near Mint: $163
Very Fine: $76
Fine: $33
Very Good: $22
Good: $11

Near Mint (low): $275
Very Fine/Near Mint: $179
Very Fine: $82
Fine: $36
Very Good: $24
Good: $12

Looks like this comic has had pretty steady growth throughout the decades, but mostly for VF/NM and up. Grades below and their increases aren't all that impressive, especially from the good to even VF. Well, not unless you think an increase of $8 in a decade's span is a good increase.

However, it did have a nice bump from the 90s to the 2000s and it looks like it's definitely on the move up in the last 3 recent years. VFs, which I picked on before, has risen on average of $8 each year since 2014 except for the 2016 increase of $6.

But how has this been doing on the CGC front compared with most recent eBay sales that we can compare.

GoCollect CGC eBay sales 2015-16
Overstreet 2016-17 46th Edition

Near Mint (low): $349 (2015)
Very Fine/Near Mint: $300
Very Fine: $86
Fine: $no data
Very Good: $ no data
Good: $ no data

Near Mint (low): $275
Very Fine/Near Mint: $179
Very Fine: $82
Fine: $36
Very Good: $24
Good: $12

Looks like everything below a 9.0 VF/NM is not worth the cost of slabbing for this comic currently. Yes, I'm sure that the 1st appearance of Lorna Dane is why this comic has gained more attention than the 1st origin story of the Beast beginning in the 2nd story to this issue, but it's not the 1st appearance of Hank McCoy so it goes on this list.

Here's how this comic looks in the CGC Census so far:


The origin in this story is actually of Hank's parents Norton and Edna McCoy. Hank's father worked at an atomic plant and was exposed to radiation. 

Shortly after, Hank is born with unusually large hands and feet. Although and infant, baby Hank McCoy exhibits uncanny strength which is further revealed in issue #50.

The 2nd story that begins the origins of Beast is called "A Beast is Born!"  X-Men #49 has the cover date of October, 1968.

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Even though X-Factor #26 doesn't have an overwhelmingly high CGC Census, it looks like pure speculation has taken it's toll on the key issue. Well, I should say the aftermath of speculation.

More people selling and dumping their copies as opposed to actual demand has seen CGC 9.8s slump into the mid $100s when they were perched above the $200 mark on average just only a year ago.

9.8s are now around the same average value they were back in 2013. 9.6s are selling below half of the $100 value of the copy I sold last year, so I wouldn't say they're doing all that well currently.

In terms of X-23's first headlining limited series, it's pretty new and recently gaining steam, but I think the CGC 9.8s will have more movement upwards of issue #1 than high grade raw copies.

X-Men #49 is probably one that I would recommend snagging as it is definitely climbing in value for high grade copies according to both Overstreet values and GoCollect data. However, low grades I wouldn't even bother with at the moment. 

8.5s of X-Men #49 did pass the $200 mark this year. Actually, maybe the Crow #4 as well since it's still flying under the radar somewhat.

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1 comment:

  1. Mayhem,

    don' t know if your list allready included Tomb of Dracula 13 - origin of ole Blade. Recommendation - as well as the Avengers annual that pits old vs new Avengers. Cool!

    Ace

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