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Thursday, March 31, 2016

Non 1st Appearance Origin Key Comics Part 5




Like promised, we have more 1st origin key comics for issues that do not contain their 1st appearances as well. Why? Because we all know that a comic with a 1st appearance and origin of a major hero or villain will definitely be more valuable.

However, this is to see if just 1st origin keys are worth their salt as comic investments. If you're a fan of the character, who cares about comics as investments then? You'll probably just want keys of your favorite characters just to have 'em.

Nothing wrong with that either. So, let's get to it. This Part 4 link will bring ya back in case you missed it. If you're ready to roll, enjoy the next few.




WARLOCK #9
1st origin of Magus
2nd Thanos saga begins

When it comes to ultimate foes for Adam Warlock, the old saying of "You are your own worst enemy" holds true for this character. Nothing like meeting your future self and being completely appalled by how evil you turned out.

Magus is the future counterpart of Adam Warlock. Created by Lord Chaos and Master Order, Adam Warlock was supposed to be the champion of life against Thanos, the champion of death. Instead, the process drove Adam Warlock of the future insane, and he became the Magus.

This origin is told by Magus in this issue, and it's the In-Betweener who sends Warlock to a place between reality and illusion where he learns the dark secrets of Lord Chaos and Master Order. The rest is comic history.

So far the total registered copies in the CGC Census is pretty low with only 237, but this is a 1975 Marvel comic book. I definitely think there's a lot more raw copies out there that aren't getting slabbed.

Highest so far are twenty-eight 9.8s with seventy-four 9.6s. Wow!


Definitely not that of a sought out key currently. CGC 9.8 last sold for only $275 bucks back in December of 2014 for this issue. I'm pretty sure the Overstreet data isn't too impressive concerning this issue since this comic was barely on the radar a year ago and still barely on the radar currently.

Overstreet 1982-83 12th Edition
Overstreet 1990-91 20th Edition

Mint: $2.20
Fine: $1.10
Good: $.35

Near Mint: $2.00
Fine: $1.00
Good: $.35

Overstreet 2002-03 33rd Edition
Overstreet 2015-16 45th Edition

Near Mint: $24
Very Fine/Near Mint: $21
Very Fine: $17
Fine: $9
Very Good: $6
Good: $3

Near Mint (low): $60
Very Fine/Near Mint: $44
Very Fine: $27
Fine: $12
Very Good: $8
Good: $4

Magus and Thanos are the two big bads when it comes to Adam Warlock. This comic hasn't performed badly over the years, but it hasn't performed amazingly spectacular either.

Then again, hopefully Adam Warlock is not omitted from the movies. I still haven't heard any word about Adam Warlock or Magus, but I think this issue would be a great story for a flick.

Then again, that's just my fandom talking, and who knows what the folks in Hollyweird are gonna do? Warlock #9 has the cover date of October, 1975.






NEW TEEN TITANS #7
1st origin of Cyborg

Cyborg is a pretty recognizable member of the 2nd Teen Titans incarnation, and the Teen Titans have been a popular super-hero team for years in both comics and in cartoons. His 1st appearance was in DC Comics Presents #26, a long with some other of his Teen Titan comrades, so it's only fitting that his 1st origin story be in the titled series as well.

Issue #7 of the New Teen Titans is the comic that features Cyborg's first origin story. Victor Stone was used by his parents Silas and Elinore Stone as experimental test subject for intelligence enhancement.

It's revealed in this issue that an accident to one of the experiments is what caused Victor to have gained his cybernetic  prosthetics and the death of his mother. Although this issue is his first told origin, Cyborg's origin would later be retold and expanded on in greater detail in Tales of the New Teen Titans #1.

Despite that Cyborg is going to be part of the Justice League movies with plans of his own solo movie coming out soon, this comic has not caught on in a big way with the market. This comic has a low census for a comic that came out in 1981.


This comic is definitely a sleeper on both the CGC front and on the back issues market. There's no problem finding raw copies online and probably offline as well. CGC 9.8s are still going for cheap, around $50 to $60 bucks on ole eBay.

Overstreet 1982-83 12th Edition
Overstreet 1990-91 20th Edition

Mint: $3.00
Fine: $1.50
Good: $.50

Near Mint: $3.00
Fine: $1.50
Good: $.50

Overstreet 2002-03 33rd Edition
Overstreet 2015-16 45th Edition

Near Mint: $5.00
Very Fine/Near Mint: $0
Very Fine: $0
Fine: $0 
Very Good: $0
Good: $0

Near Mint (low): $55
Very Fine/Near Mint: $40
Very Fine: $25
Fine: $12
Very Good: $8
Good: $4

In the 2002-03 Overstreet, the listing for both The New Teen Titans #2 and this issue only had the value for NMs, so I suppose the grades below NM were worthless. Definitely looks like recent years had this comic doing a lot better, but in truth, it's still an over-looked key which movie hype has yet seemed to matter much.

Well, have to see if that changes or not in the near future. The New Teen Titans #7 has the cover date of May, 1981.






TEEN TITANS #22
1st origin of Wonder Girl

It should be obvious that this is the Donna Troy Wonder Girl, as it is a Teen Titans comic. Part of the original Teen Titans, in which she made her 1st appearance in Brave and the Bold #60, her first origin story was not revealed in her first appearance but in this issue here.

In this origin, she is a rescued orphan taken to Paradise Island by Wonder Woman and raised as an Amazonian. Yes, the origin of Wonder Girl would be revised and revamped several times after, but this is the original.

Not exactly a sleeper but not highly over-looked either. In 2 years, this comic only had 3 sales on eBay. In about 4 years, only 13 sales on eBay so I'd say it's pretty over-looked. Not saying that should be the reason to go out and snag this one unless you're a hardcore Wonder Girl fan.

Once again, don't expect a high CGC Census total for this one. Only 67 so far with the highest  being only two 9.8s currently.

CGC 9.8 sold on eBay for $1,005.00 bucks back in August 2015, so this one really isn't a cheap buy any longer for sure. I do see quite a few raw copies on eBay and elsewhere. Here's how this origin key comics has performed in Overstreet throughout the years.

Overstreet 1982-83 12th Edition
Overstreet 1990-91 20th Edition

Mint: $6.00
Fine: $3.00
Good: $1.00

Near Mint: $12
Fine: $5.00
Good: $1.70

Overstreet 2002-03 33rd Edition
Overstreet 2015-16 45th Edition

Near Mint: $75
Very Fine/Near Mint: $60
Very Fine: $45
Fine: $18
Very Good: $12
Good: $6

Near Mint (low): $160
Very Fine/Near Mint: $108
Very Fine: $56
Fine: $24
Very Good: $16
Good: $8

Well, since most DC key comics were over-looked for quite a while, I'm not surprised that this one has crept up slowly over the years. 9.6s are still in the $400 range after all, and if you look at the sales on gocollect, it's not a very sought-out comic so far.

Could change or might not. August, 1969 is the cover date for Teen Titans #22.






TALES FROM THE CRYPT #33
1st origin of the Crypt Keeper

Switching it up here and diverting a bit from super hero comics with this horror key issue right here, Tales from the Crypt #33 reveals the strange origin of the infamous Crypt Keeper, the host of this famous EC Comic's titled series. Definitely no sleeper and already pretty valuable in high grades, but it's still a good horror key comic worth mentioning and outside the Crypt Keeper's first appearance in Crime Patrol #15.

The Crypt Keeper's father was a two-headed preserved corpse, and his mother a centuries old Egyptian mummy. Being on display at a traveling carnival, the two odd attractions met, fell in love, and spawned the Crypt Keeper.

This issue has a low CGC Census total of 90 with the highest grade a CGC 9.8. However, finding high grade copies or decent raw copies isn't an easy task.

A CGC 9.6 Gains File Copy sold for $3,451 on eBay back in 2013. Let's see what Overstreet clocks this origin key comic at.

Overstreet 1982-83 12th Edition
Overstreet 1990-91 20th Edition

Mint: $110
Fine: $60
Good: $20

Near Mint: $210
Fine: $90
Good: $30

Overstreet 2002-03 33rd Edition
Overstreet 2015-16 45th Edition

Near Mint: $825
Very Fine/Near Mint: $642
Very Fine: $458
Fine: $183
Very Good: $122
Good: $61

Near Mint (low): $1,175
Very Fine/Near Mint: $856
Very Fine: $536
Fine: $201
Very Good: $134
Good: $67

This one has done pretty good, despite horror comics not being highly sought out currently. Well, at least most Golden Age horror comics.

Seems like most collectors like the new shiny Modern ones. Well, to each their own.

Tales from the Crypt #33 has had steady growth according to Overstreet, and it's not an easy comic to find in decent grades at all. Cover date is December, 1952.

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When it comes to key issues like Warlock #9, which was basically a sleeper for quite some time and still not noted in Overstreet for containing the origin of Magus, I don't get all that surprised when I look at the CGC or Overstreet performance or even the CGC Census.

Thanos and all the characters closely tied to him didn't hit a huge level of interest until the very beginning of Avengers movie hype. To be completely honest, Thanos had a decent cult following prior to that. His 1st appearance in Iron Man #55 in that guide was worth $120 at a NM-.

Don't believe me, look up the 2002-03 Overstreet Guide for Iron Man #55 and compare it to now. Hugely different when it comes to value. That comic was only a little more than two years before Warlock #9 hit the stands, and of course, Warlock #9 doesn't hold a 1st appearance either.

When it comes to many DC Comic keys, I'm also not that surprised since they were extremely over-looked for quite a while. I keep saying that, but it's true.

So Teen Titans #22 shouldn't be surprising when you look at the data. It also shouldn't be a surprise that a 9.8 only crossed the $1,000 mark a little less than a year ago. 

What is surprising is that the Teen Titans are definitely no slouch of a super-hero team in comics. They've been around a long time, and they are definitely popular and well-known. 

Who knows, if keys for the characters of the 2nd and more popular version of the Teen Titans will blast off or what. So far, mostly all their 1st origin stories are over-looked aside from those who were from the original team like Kid Flash. 

As usual, it's purely up to you on deciding what's worthy to drop your hard earned cash on. I'm only reporting what's out there and how it's done in past 30 years or so. Good luck and happy hunting out there!




4 comments:

  1. For cyborg any reason to get tales of new titans 1? Or you think at the end of the day new teen titans 7 will be the orgin book to get because its first origin story and it came out first and its older. I thknk the only tales got going for it is chborg is on the cover, but idk what you think?

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    1. If you're thinking is it worth getting Tales of the New Teen Titans #1, you sound skeptical and unsure. If I'm that unsure about a comic, I pass it up depending on the price.

      There are other comics I'm more sure about getting and would rather dump my money on them instead of toiling around with a huge maybe. I don't know why the Cyborg origin in Tales #1 is going for more than the 1st origin of Cyborg. Strange and kinda lame as well.

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  2. When it comes to those better issue EC Comics like Tales from the Crypt 33 just getting a nice solid VG copy is good enough for me. When you start getting into the mid-grade or higher range your going to fork over some major dough most of the time. I'm just glad I have a few in my collection including the one mentioned above. Can't ever go wrong with some PCH in my opinion.

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