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Tuesday, March 29, 2016

Non 1st Appearance Origin Key Comics Part 4

Once again, it's mostly Marvel in Part 4 to this origin key comics series. I do have one featured here that isn't Marvel, and that one can be seen as greatly under-valued and quite over-looked at the same time.

Alright, enough beating around the bush. Part 3 link will bring you back. Scrolling down will reveal more 1st origin key comics that aren't revealed in a character's 1st appearance issue. Well, sort of.

As for good comic investments? You'll have to see and make that call yourself. Either way, hope you enjoy and thanks for reading.

1st origin of Moon Dragon

This one here may be questionable to put on this list. Daredevil #105 is the first appearance of this character as Moon Dragon. She first appears as Madame MacEvil in Iron Man #54, and it's clearly the character of Moon Dragon in that issue, meaning she is recognizable as the character.

This issue does see her first appearance as Moon Dragon, and it also gives her origin story. I'm including this one here, because the character does actually have a 1st appearance prior to this issue and she is recognizable in that 1st appearance.

Moon Dragon is greatly connected to two Marvel characters - Drax the Destroyer and Thanos. Moon Dragon's origin is actually connected to Drax the Destroyer since Moon Dragon is his daughter.

So Thanos is the cretin who is directly responsible for the origin of Moon Dragon and Drax. While on a drive, Arthur Douglas and his family spotted Thanos' ship land.

Unfortunately, Thanos destroys the car and kills everyone except a young Heather Douglas. This issue here would reveal that young Heather was taken in by Mentor and brought to Titan to be raised by the monks of Shao-Lom. It was not revealed that the soul of her father Arthur Douglas was sent to the newly created body of Drax the Destroyer in this issue.

Captain Marvel #32 actually reveals the origin and connection to Drax the Destroyer and Moon Dragon in further detail, but in this origin contained in Daredevil #105, the identities of Moon Dragon's parents that died in the car crash are left out.

So, 1st origin of Moon Dragon is in Daredevil #105, and this origin is later elaborated on in Captain Marvel #32. Although Captain Marvel #32 is being noted as the origin of Drax the Destroyer by many sources, it is not his 1st origin story.

Drax's 1st origin story is contained in the same issue he first appeared in - Iron Man #55. Captain Marvel #32 elaborates on it and connects him to Moon Dragon. Iron Man #55 does show Mentor seeking the help of Kronos to aid against the threat of Thanos. It also shows the birth of Drax.

So, have no idea why no one is noting Iron Man #55 the origin of Drax the Destroyer. Captain Marvel #32 is a retelling with new facts.

Anyways, back to this issue at hand and the origin of Moon Dragon. Daredevil #105 hasn't been the best performing origin comic out there, and I think it's still flying under the radar for the most part.

This comic does have a low CGC Census, but I bet there are a lot of raw copies out there that have yet to be deemed slab worthy. Highest graded copies are 9.8s so far for Daredevil #105.

CGC 9.6s on eBay are selling in the $200 range, and if you look on gocollect, there aren't many sales at all for this comic. Overstreet data is below for you to check out.

Overstreet 1982-83 12th Edition
Overstreet 1990-91 20th Edition

Mint: $1.00
Fine: $.50
Good: $0

Near Mint: $2.00
Fine: $1.00
Good: $.35

Overstreet 2002-03 33rd Edition
Overstreet 2015-16 45th Edition

Near Mint: $18
Very Fine/Near Mint: $15
Very Fine: $12
Fine: $6 
Very Good: $4
Good: $2

Near Mint (low): $55
Very Fine/Near Mint: $40
Very Fine: $25
Fine: $12
Very Good: $8
Good: $4

Didn't really expect this comic to have a spectacular growth record, but it isn't too bad considering the character featured. Daredevil comics were widely over-looked for the longest time, and even the keys in that titled series.

This one is still pretty over-looked over-all or just not that cared for currently, and Daredevil #105 has the cover date of November, 1973.

1st origin of Gamora

Overstreet notes this issue as the origin of Thanos & Gamora, but in all reality, it's really just the origin of Gamora and Thanos just happens to be a player in it. So, in order not to confuse people with this issue being the 1st origin of Thanos told, I'm just going to note it as the 1st origin of Gamora.

So we all know that Gamora first appeared in Strange Tales #180 but it's now considered only a brief one. She makes her 1st full appearance in Strange Tales #181.

In Warlock #10, her origin is finally revealed and she is the last of her kind. Thanos adopts her as a child and trains her to be a badass weapon with the goal of assassinating the Magus, the evil future version of Adam Warlock.

Pretty straight-forward origin there, but it is classic Jim Starlin no doubt. This comic is definitely no sleeper anymore, but it didn't catch on in a huge way due to Guardians of the Galaxy movie hype.

Highest grades are 9.8s for this comic, and they are still selling in the $300 range. Actually, there's quite a bit of 9.8s in the census for this comic, despite having a pretty low total submitted number of copies.

Despite the total, this comic isn't really that rare or scarce. Just look at the eBay search results and you'll find a ton of copies there, many of them raw copies.

Overstreet 1982-83 12th Edition
Overstreet 1990-91 20th Edition

Mint: $2.20
Fine: $1.10
Good: $.35

Near Mint: $2.00
Fine: $1.00
Good: $.35

Overstreet 2002-03 33rd Edition
Overstreet 2015-16 45th Edition

Near Mint: $30
Very Fine/Near Mint: $25
Very Fine: $20
Fine: $9 
Very Good: $6
Good: $3

Near Mint (low): $65
Very Fine/Near Mint: $47
Very Fine: $28
Fine: $12
Very Good: $8
Good: $4

Be real interesting to see what the new guide coming out this summer has for this issue. This issue wasn't really sought-out in a big way until about a year ago, and I think it flew under the radar for quite some time for most comic fans or speculators.

Jim Starlin fans most likely had this issue under wraps a while back. Warlock #10 has the cover date of December, 1975.

1st origin of Blue Beetle (Ted Kord)
Death of Dan Garrett

Here we are with a Charlton comic before DC acquired the rights to Blue Beetle. Blue Beetle #2 from the 1967 series finally reveals the 1st origin of Ted Kord as the Blue Beetle.

It should be noted that there are multiple versions of Blue Beetle. The first is Dan Garret and was a character published by Fox Comics.

Fox would later go out of business and Charlton would by the rights. Under Charlton, they put out the Silver Age Dan Garrett (with two ts instead of one) as the Blue Beetle, and the 2nd version would have a very different origin story than the original Golden Age version.

Then, Dan Garrett would finally be replaced by Ted Kord, and he is the more popular version of Blue Beetle. Kord's 1st appearance was still in the Silver Age also, but Kord's origin story is definitely tied to Dan Garrett.

Kord is Garrett's student, and when Garrett died (shown in this issue) he implores Kord to take over for him as the Blue Beetle. Dan Garrett was powered by a mystical scarab while digging in Egypt. Yes, he was an archaeologist.

The scarab gave him super-strength, flight, super-vision, energy projection and durability. The original Blue Beetle from Fox Comics had no super-powers.

Kord could not use the scarab, but he was a mad inventor. Ted Kord as the Blue Beetle was very much like Batman, no super-powers but had all the wonderful toys to make him an effective crime fighting hero.

Ted Kord as the Blue Beetle first appeared in Captain Atom #83, but his origin wasn't revealed until this very issue. So, 2nd issue to Kord's 1st titled series and his origin story as well. Not bad!

A very low CGC Census for this comic. I do not expect this comic to have a high amount of copies out there in the world. Charlton had trouble keeping Blue Beetle a surviving character back in the Silver Age. Ted Kord also does not have many appearances during the Silver Age.

So far the highest graded copies are four 9.8s and the total amount of registered copies is only at 38 right now. I do have to say that this comic holding the origin of Ted Kord as Blue Beetle isn't widely that known yet either.

It's pretty over-looked at the moment, or nobody's really making a big deal out of this one yet. Let's see just how under the radar this comic has been.

Overstreet 1982-83 12th Edition
Overstreet 1990-91 20th Edition

Mint: $5.00
Fine: $2.50
Good: $.85

Near Mint: $14
Fine: $6
Good: $2

Overstreet 2002-03 33rd Edition
Overstreet 2015-16 45th Edition

Near Mint: $65
Very Fine/Near Mint: $53
Very Fine: $40
Fine: $18 
Very Good: $12
Good: $6

Near Mint (low): $90
Very Fine/Near Mint: $63
Very Fine: $35
Fine: $15
Very Good: $10
Good: $5

Wow! Talk about a highly over-looked origin key comic or not that well-known comic. Considering that Blue Beetle eventually became part of DC Comics and has enjoyed success with the publisher, this is definitely surprising. 

VF and below grades actually did worse currently than in early 2000. Over-looked? I'd definitely say so. Under-valued? I'll leave that up to you to decide.

Blue Beetle #2 from the 1967 series has the cover date of August, 1967.

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1st origin of Green Goblin

One of the most iconic Spidey villains ever, and his origin is finally revealed in this issue here. Norman Osbourne was revealed to be the Green Goblin in ASM #39.

In true comic book villain fashion, Green Goblin explains to Peter Parker why he became the Green Goblin and how he was a work-a-holic, researching an experimental formula that exploded in his face. That formula is later known as the Goblin Formula, and it enhances or augments a person's body and mind.

As we most know by now, the formula is also unstable and causes severe insanity. So, that's how this iconic Marvel villain became about, and this is definitely no sleeper origin key comic.

It's been known for quite awhile, and the highest graded copies are so far 9.8s. There are four of them in the CGC Census. Mine came back a 7.0 last year, and I'm just happy that it didn't come back Restored. Well, when I got it, it was advertised at a FN, so having it come back a bit higher was all good as well.
In 2014, a CGC 9.6 of this copy sold for $6,100 by Pedigree Comics. However, in 2015, a copy at the same grade sold on eBay for only $4,450. Let's see how Overstreet guides this bad boy.

Overstreet 1982-83 12th Edition
Overstreet 1990-91 20th Edition

Mint: $9.00
Fine: $4.50
Good: $1.50

Near Mint: $40
Fine: $17
Good: $5.70

Overstreet 2002-03 33rd Edition
Overstreet 2015-16 45th Edition

Near Mint: $525
Very Fine/Near Mint: $402
Very Fine: $278
Fine: $11
Very Good: $74
Good: $37

Near Mint (low): $950
Very Fine/Near Mint: $612
Very Fine: $274
Fine: $111
Very Good: $74
Good: $37

Another surprising track record for one of the most iconic Spidey villains. Fine and below values were basically stagnant from the 2002-2003 guide to the 2015-2016 guide, and VFs actually did worse? Really?

Well, CGC 8.0s of this comic are selling on eBay in the $300 range since November of 2015, and the last CGC 9.2 sold on eBay was for $930 and also in 2015. Still, this is a major Spidey villain, and I'm a bit surprised that this origin key comic hasn't done better.

Amazing Spider-Man #40 and the first told origin of Green Goblin has the cover date of September, 1966.

When it comes to these origin key comics as investments, there's not many surprises. The only surprise for me is Amazing Spider-Man #40 and the 1st origin of the Green Goblin.

I definitely thought that one would have done a lot better across the board. As for Blue Beetle #2, I wasn't all that surprised that comic has been  over-looked for a long time. Not saying that it isn't a great Blue Beetle key or key comic to invest in, but not surprised it's been under-valued for so long.

I think that one has potential growth for sure as Blue Beetle isn't the most popular DC character, but he's popular enough. His publication history is just not all that well-known. 

Anyways, we got some Bronze and Silver Age origin keys covered here Part 4. Click the Part 5 link to carry on.


  1. Hello my Mayhem man,

    those origin issues are really important, true, but somehow collectors have not opened their purses for them. Shame on me - I' m one of them. For example, a seller offered Piderman 40, Piderman 300 & First Sabretooth in Iron Fist - all for reasonable prices. Guess which 2 I chose? Right, Piderman 40 fell under the table and still waits for a buyer...


  2. I totally agree with you, Ace. Right now I can' t make up my mind: Spiderman 20, first appearance of Scorpion in mid grade or Spiderman 40 in slightly better condition, both at 120.


    Max Rebo

  3. What about cyborg, origin is separate?

  4. Can anybody tell me where I can find the full first origin of the Kingpin? Don' t know if it' s in Amazing Spiderman 50, 51 or somewhere else...


    1. Man, that's a good question Zoe. Will have to look that up to see if he even had an origin during his early appearances, or if anyone else knows, hopefully they'll chime in.

  5. Hi M.

    Red Sonjas first appearance in Conan 23 & 24 is on my radar right now. Which brings me to my question - is Nr. 23 just a small cameo (how many panels)? Is the origin in 23 or 24? I think its a shame that this great character doesn' t cross over into regular Marvel continuity. I mean, if she would have more prime time in other titles, Conan 23 & 24 could be top dollar comics.

    Speculation Jones

    1. #23 is first appearance, #24 is 1st full appearance, 1st origin is in Kull and the Barbarians #3 for the lovely Red Sonja.

  6. Hey, that' s a great find! Separate origin for ole Sonja! Thanks Mayhem. Unfortunately it's a Magazine, which I don' t collect.

    Speculation Jones

  7. Moon night says she was originally known as Madame Macevil in DD #105 so they suggests this is her 2nd appearance.