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Saturday, September 26, 2015

Rogue Key Comics List Part 2


This is Part 2 to this Rogue key comics list, and Part 2 will be the conclusion to this series. So without further ado, let's wrap it up with the Rogue key issues.




UNCANNY X-MEN #170
Rogue leaves Brotherhood of Evil Mutants
2nd brief Rogue in X-Men comic

Going Rogue? Well, apparently so.

Rogue is shown briefly on a bus in this issue, and Mystique and Destiny learn that she is missing. Where is she going?

We all know that she is leaving the Sisterhood or Brotherhood of Evil Mutants and seeking out Professor X's help.  She cannot control her powers and realizes that her adoptive mother Mystique and the brotherhood cannot help her.

Pretty gutsy move since she made enemies with the X-Men prior. She would not be well-received. Uncanny X-Men #170 was published June, 1983, and this is the 2nd time Rogue is in an X-Men comic.






UNCANNY X-MEN #171
Rogue joins X-Men

From villain to hero. Well, as most Rogue fans remember during this time, it wasn't as easy as that. Rogue ends up at the X-Men's front door and is of course seen with suspicion.

When Professor X interrogates her motives, we learn that she cannot control her powers and the persona she absorbed from Carol Danvers a.k.a. Ms. Marvel is driving her nuts as well. From the panel you can see Kitty Pryde and Nightcrawler are not so warm to her pleas for help.

However, all the X-Men are like that when Rogue first comes to them, except for Professor X of course. Storm even tells the Professor that if Rogue is in, herself is out.

The Professor slowly changes the minds of the team and even gave the example of when Angel left the team because he refused to be on the same team as Wolverine, believing his animalistic ways made him an untrustworthy team mate. Just because the members change their minds about Rogue joining the X-Men does not mean that they trust her in the beginning.

Because Rogue is considered such a prominent and popular X-Men character, many forget that she had to earn the X-Men's trust. Creatives would do this a bit quickly but her past would always seem to haunt her.

In this issue, Carol Danvers is now Binary in which she first appeared as the character in Uncanny X-Men #164 and was changed due to experiments by the Brood. Of course, when Carol finds Rogue at the X-Men mansion, they duke it out.

When Professor X agrees to help Rogue, Binary is extremely angry and leaves. Can't blame her for that.

I don't have to say that this is an important Rogue key comic to have for an X-Men fan. It should be one of the better Rogue key issues to invest in, but it's not seen as a major valuable key comic currently.

Have to disagree with the market on that. Uncanny X-Men #171 was published July, 1983.






UNCANNY X-MEN #173
Rogue gains Wolverine's approval
1st Storm punk look

Not really a highly important key issue, but in terms of the character's evolution from baddie to goodie, this would be played out over the next couple of issues and definitely seen in this one right here.

This issue is a continuation of the story that begins in issue #172. In that issue, the X-Men arrive in Japan for the wedding of Logan and Mariko.

They also brought Rogue with them. Wolvie is not happy about that and voices his disapproval by saying, "If it were up to me, M'iko, I'd cut her heart out."

You can see in the panel that Rogue is still very uncomfortable among the group. The expression on Rogue's face in the panel where she's standing at the door says it all. Storm reminds Logan that they are not enemies any longer, but Wolvie cannot yet forgive what Rogue did to his friend Carol.

To Wolvie and Rogue's surprise, his bride welcomes the nervous and uncomfortable Rogue warmly as an honored guest.

When stuff goes bad courtesy of Viper and Silver Samurai, Wolverine reluctantly agrees to let Rogue go with him to hunt down the villains in issue #172. In this issue, Wolverine and Rogue catch up with Viper and Silver Samurai.

In the eventual scuffle between the heroes and villains, Rogue pushes Wolverine and Mariko away and takes a shot from a ray blast that was intended for Mariko. Rogue wanted to pay Mariko back for the kindness she was given upon her arrival. Even with Ms. Marvel's durability, the blast has somehow affected Rogue and she is somehow dying. Don't ask me how that supposedly is because I'm not entirely sure.

When an injured Wolvie tells her that his healing power can save her, Rogue protests by telling him that he needs it in order to save himself. Of course, Wolvie ain't like that and isn't about to let a team mate die if he can help it.

Wolverine kisses Rogue so she can absorb his healing power to save her. It is this symbol or gesture that makes it clear that Wolvie has changed his mind about Rogue and approves of her being a comrade.

Great story and great read from back in the day. This is the issue where I first felt empathy for Rogue and became a fan of the character. That Chris Claremont, a master!

Well, despite Wolverine accepting Rogue into the motley mutant crew, it's not really a Rogue key issue per say, but this issue also 1st features Storm in her classic punk look with the mohawk. Uncanny X-Men #173 was published September, 1983, and I just wanted to talk about it out of pure fandom. Once again, the image panels are courtesy of supermegamonkey.net.






UNCANNY X-MEN #182
1st Rogue solo story

Rogue gets her first solo story and adventure in this issue. It may be a minor key issue in regards to that, but this issue further explores Rogue's battle with her Carol Danvers persona and her own self loathing and regret for what she did to her.

When the Danvers persona takes over, Rogue finds that she rescues Mike Rossi from S.H.I.E.L.D. Rogue later finds out that the Carol Danvers persona took over as Rossi is Carol's former lover and she begins to remember things that happened between the two.

After finding out what Rogue had done to Danvers, Rossi hits her and leaves in disgust. 

Uncanny X-Men #182 was published June, 1984.






UNCANNY X-MEN #185
Origin of Rogue

CGC and Overstreet may not deem this issue a big deal yet, but this issue does actually hold the first origin of Rogue. Well, actually, it explains in flashback when a young Rogue first discovers her powers.

That should count, right? So Rogue is going more insane as she shares the dual persona of Carol Danvers and herself.

Storm is worried about her and finds a missing Rogue on the banks of the Mississippi in Caldecott County. It's here where Rogue relinquishes her story about Cody Robbins and her first kiss, and how she absorbed his psyche and memories.

This story about Rogue discovering her powers is famous and well-known among fans. It would be referred to quite often throughout Rogue's tenure with the X-Men.

Rogue is torn in this issue. Frustrated and angry, she does not know if her place is with the X-Men or Mystique. With all the things she's done, how can anyone trust her with the power she has?

To show that Storm does indeed trust her and that her strong sense of decency and honor is something she should not overlook, Storm offers Rogue to see the world through her eyes. Rogue of course protests at first, reminding Storm of what happened after she temporarily absorbed Storm's powers at the Pentagon, but Storm offers this gift freely and without fighting her like the last time.

Rogue relents and takes Storm's hand. For the first time, Rogue not only sees but feels the beauty of the world, the patterns of energy resonating all around her and surging within her own being.

Filled with joy and excitement, Rogue almost takes more from Storm but stops herself because she does not want to break Ororo's trust. Of course, Henry Gyrich shows up with a new weapon that can neutralize the super powers of its target and breaks the party up.

So far this issue is highly over-looked by industry and most of the market because it's not noted as an origin of Rogue. I think that should change. 

This origin actually contradicts what Rogue previously said in Uncanny X-Men #178, an issue where Mystique tries to get Rogue back from the X-Men.

In that issue, Rogue doesn't understand why Mystique is trying to wrench her away from the X-Men, and why her mamma can't understand she left of her own freewill. She says to Mystique, "When ah was a kid -- 'fore ah developed mah power -- ah remember you holdin' me, protectin' me from the badness an' nightmares."

Opps, but it is comic books after all. Uncanny X-Men #185 was published September, 1984.






CLASSIC X-MEN #44
More about Rogue's past

This isn't really a key issue per say. It is sort of a significant issue for Rogue in explaining her frustrations and wanting a normal life, and it does shed a bit more light on Rogue's backstory.

The 2nd story in Classic X-Men #44 called "Her First and Last" details this struggle and eventual frustration. A young Rogue is playing with a childhood friend named Freddy.

Mystique warns her about her powers and the damage it can do. Her adoptive mother also tells young Rogue of a mission she wants her to go on, but Rogue gets upset and objects.

Rogue tells Mystique she doesn't want to go on a mission and wants to chase boys and be a normal, young teenage girl. Rogue stomps off and meets Freddy at the cliff they scheduled to meet at. Once again, Rogue is kissed and her power goes into action.

Realizing that she is a freak and will never have a normal life, she leaves and returns home to Mystique and Destiny. At the end of this issue, she tells Mystique that she wants nothing more than to go on the mission no matter how dangerous it is.

I am not sure what mission Mystique is implying in this issue. In Marvel Fanfare #60, Mystique, Rogue, and Pyro break into a medical facility with the intentions of breaking out a young mutant named Jason. I am not sure if this story is to designate Rogue's first ever mission with the Brotherhood or not since I always thought her first mission was to eliminate Ms. Marvel.

Perhaps, this story was to reflect how Rogue gives in and becomes a villain, as well as to add and detail her longing to be a normal person. The story definitely precedes Avengers Annual  #10 and even Marvel Super-Heroes #11 vol 2. February, 1990 was when Classic X-Men #44 was published.






UNCANNY X-MEN #269
Rogue is separated from Ms. Marvel persona
Death of Ms. Marvel persona

Although poor Rogue is still unable to control her power of absorption, she is finally separated from the Ms. Marvel persona that has haunted her since her early appearances. After going through the Siege Perilous portal, it seemed the Siege Perilous separated the two, giving the Ms. Marvel persona her own body.

The Shadow King would possess the Ms. Marvel doppelganger, and after the two ladies battled in the Savage Land, Magneto ended up stepping in and killed the Ms. Marvel doppelganger. Rogue and Magneto would enter into a very brief and strange romance after. Uncanny X-Men #269 was published October, 1990.






X-FACTOR #70
1st panel of Rogue & Gambit together

The X-Men comics would go through the five part cross-over event called the "Muir Island Saga". and amazingly enough, Rogue nor Gambit were never featured in a single panel interacting since his debut in Uncanny X-Men #266. Actually, they weren't even shown near the same vicinity until Uncanny X-Men #280.

This took me hours to go through my collection and flip through issues #267 through #280 to find out when the pair actually meet. What I found out is that they do not ever formally meet in a panel.

Even in X-Factor #70, they are just shown in one panel standing next to other X-Men, so I'm assuming that sometime during this issue they do meet off panel. They could've meet off panel at the end of Uncanny X-Men #280 as well.

In #280, Gambit and a few other X-Men were controlled by Shadow King and when the team of Rogue, Wolverine, Iceman, Forge, Beast and Banshee encounter some of them, Wolverine is separated from the team by Iceman to fend off an attacking Gambit. Rogue, Iceman, Forge, Banshee and Beast take on Madrox, Guido, and Psylocke on the other side of the ice wall.

The Shadow King loses his control on the other X-Men at the end of #280, so off-panel Rogue and Gambit could've met then. The two love birds would not be shown interacting in a panel until X-Men #1 from the 1991 series.

X-Men #1 of the 2nd series is what starts the Gambit and Rogue flirtations as you can see that Gambit has pinched Rogue's butt in that scene. She looks slightly annoyed with a closed fist wavering at him.

I know, probably not that big of a key issue (if it is even one), but, hell, I was curious about this and wanted to yap about it. You'd be surprised at how many ask when Gambit and Rogue first meet and in what issue. Wasn't really able to find that out, but was able to find when they were first seen in a panel together and the first issue where they actually interact in a panel or acknowledge that they exist to each other.

X-Factor #70 is the epilogue to the Muir Island Saga, and it was published September, 1991.






X-MEN #4 VOLUME 2
Rogue and Gambit begin romance
1st appearance of Omega Red

Okay, this issue isn't going to be a big investment comic because Gambit and Rogue begin their romance in this issue. It's a lot more sought out for the first appearance of Omega Red.

However, in terms of comic book romances between superheroes, there is no doubt that Gambit and Rogue's relationship was widely followed by many X-Men fans throughout the years. Heck, after all, the two had two kids together later on, but in an alternative universe of course.

Yes, there are actually fans of the Gambit and Rogue romance, so this issue is on here.

Not all keys pertaining to a certain character or characters are going to be great comic investments, but these key issues lists aren't all about worthy investment comics. Sometimes it's following the evolution of a character.

Rogue's longing to be normal and to have a relationship that her powers bar her from achieving is part of the complexity that makes up the character. That's that. X-Men #4 from the 2nd series was published January, 1992.






ROGUE #1
1st self-titled series
1st issue

Rogue gets her own self-titled comic series pretty early compared to other comic characters. This is the 1st issue to a four issue limited series.

The Rogue series is a follow up from the events of the Gambit limited series that came out in late '93 and ended in early '94. The story further touches upon Cody Robbins as Rogue goes back to visit her hometown in Mississippi.

Belladonna, Gambit's ex wife, is the primary villain in this limited series, and this issue does introduce some more Assassins' Guild members such as Questa, Fifolet, Singer and Gris Gris. Not really major characters, but one or all could be introduced in a Gambit film.

Gris Gris acted as Candra's 2nd in command. Questa's first appearances in this limited series was as a female. In the Gambit volume 3 series, she is seen as a man. 

Then again the character's power is to scramble synaptic signals. When they reach the optical nerves, they cause his victims to see things other than what they really are. Pretty neat.

January, 1995 is the publishing date for Rogue #1, and series last issue sees Cody Robbins die but putting Rogue at peace with him.






X-MEN UNLIMITED #4
Nightcrawler learns Mystique is his mother
Story of how Rogue first meets Mystique

Since Rogue is pretty much a supporting character for the X-Men and it's characters, it's hard not to crisscross between key issues that tie her to another character. Yes, Nightcrawler learns that Mystique is his mother in this issue and Rogue is his adopted sister. 

Concerning Rogue, this issue tells through flashback when she first meets her adopted mother Mystique, and Rogue retells the story to Nightcrawler since he asked more about "momma". Their first meeting is obviously after the incident with Cody Robbins, but after Mystique gains a young Rogue's trust, they are able to hug.

Also, it is established that Greydon Creed is Nightcrawler's half-brother as well in this issue. Definitely a weird family reunion for sure, and X-Men Unlimited #4 was published March, 1994.






ROGUE #2 VOLUME 3
In-depth origin of Rogue
1st appearance of Owen (Dad)
1st appearance of Priscilla (Mom)

Rogue would have a 2nd limited series in 2001, but her 3rd limited series written by Robert Rodi would flesh out the origin of Rogue. The character's past had been sprinkled here and there in various issues but never was it a concentrated plot line.

This series lasted 12 issues but the Rogue origin story "Going Rogue" would only play out in the first six issues. The story line in Part 2 would reveal what happened to Rogue's mother and father, and they would first appear in flashbacks in this issue of Rogue volume 3.

Rogue's aunt Carrie actually really appears in the story for the first time in issue #2. In a pure fan sense, this may be a good one to pick up for some good reading if you want to know Rogue's full origin. 

This issue contradicts a bit of Rogue's earlier origins that were sprinkled here and there throughout the years. In Uncanny X-Men #182, Rogue tells Mike Rossi that he never knew her father since her father abandoned her mother before she was born.

In Rogue #2 of this series, Rogue clearly remembers her dad Owen. Actually, it was her dad and her aunt Carrie who first raised her, but she doesn't know what happened to her mom Priscilla, who is also aunt Carrie's sister. 

When Rogue asks her aunt Carrie to please tell her the story, her aunt refuses. So Rogue uses her power to absorb her memories and finds out the shocking truth. 

Believe it or not, this issue is the first comic to reveal Rogue's real name of Anna Marie. Before then, Rogue's real name was shrouded in mystery. 

Her full name or real last name has still yet to be revealed though. A girl's gotta keep some mystery about her.

This entire 12 issue series reveals more about Rogue's past, and apparently she had a best-friend named Blindspot who was introduced unnamed in issue #7. I think the story takes place before the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants but not sure about the continuity placement.

Anyway, Blindspot is introduced by name in Rogue #9 volume 3. Blindspot was immune to Rogue's absorbing powers and they were very close. Apparently Mystique formed a partnership with Blindspot to conduct various "missions". 

In one mission, Mystique, Rogue and Blindspot tried to steal important information about the metal known as Adamantium in the story line. They failed to retrieve it.

As customary with all parting partners in crime, Blindspot wiped Mystique and Rogue's memory of her when Mystique ended the partnership. Like Rogue, Blindspot was desperately lonely and always regretted ending her close friendship with Rogue.

 Rogue #2 of the 3rd series was published September, 2004.






X-MEN: THE END #5
1st appearance of Olivier Raven
1st appearance of Rebecca LeBeau

Okay, I know that the story in the X-Men: The End limited series is not considered canon or part of Marvel's mainstream continuity.

It's an alternate universe, but in this alternate universe Gambit and Rogue are married and have a son and daughter named Olivier and Rebecca. Both are mutants and Oli would go onto become leader of GeNext in this alternate timeline. 

Olivier and Rebecca LeBeau were created by Chris Claremont and Sean Chen, and X-Men: The End #5 was published January, 2005.






X-MEN LEGACY #224
Rogue controls her powers

Wow, you spend years feeling connected to a character, feeling empathy and sympathy for a character, rooting for that character and suddenly when that character gets her absolute most cherished wish, you see the fans get all bent out of shape.

So, in X-Men Legacy #224, writer Mike Carey decides to stop torturing Rogue and gives her the ability to be able to control her absorbing power with the help from Professor X. Apparently, Professor X goes into Rogue's mind and does some kind of mental surgery on her, destroying barriers that kept her from controlling her powers.

I cheered while some fans got all upset. Sure we all like characters that we can relate to, who are imperfect and their problems can make us feel less alone, but even I had to admit that enough was enough concerning Rogue. 

Actually, I'm surprised ole Professor X didn't figure it out earlier since he's suppose to be one of the most powerful telepaths in the Marvel Universe. So, Rogue gets full control of her power in this issue.

X-Men Legacy #224 was published July, 2009.




Rogue is the X-Men character that I felt most connected or empathetic to. Out of the X-Men ladies, she is without a doubt my favorite. Actually, it's a tie between her and Storm for me.

She is a complex character that touches upon quite a lot of themes. As a kid and a young teen, I could definitely relate to her sense of isolation, non-acceptance by others and herself, and longing to be normal.

Rogue had a similar dilemma with Ben Grimm. Both powers or mutations made them question their ability to be loved by another. The only exception is that Rogue is beautiful and many wanted to love her but couldn't. With the Thing, most normal people would choose not to love him simply because of his deformation.

In the end, the result was still the same for the two characters, and Rogue was definitely a character I rooted for throughout the years in the pages of Uncanny X-Men. There are other incidents that hint at Rogue's past before the 2004 series that revealed it.

One telling is in Cable #87 in which Cable first meets a young Rogue before she joins the Brotherhood or maybe before she even meets Mystique. She is being chased by a few mutant haters who intend to kill her, and Cable comes to her aid and gives 'em a good whomping. Rogue doesn't know it's Cable since she passes out when she accidentally runs into him.

To be honest, there aren't that many Rogue key issues. I'm not gonna include Gambit and Rogue's first kiss in X-Men #41 'cause is that even really a big deal? Well, I suppose it might be for those more romantic-type comic fans.

Anyways, that's it for this Rogue key issues series. Happy hunting or selling.

Friday, September 25, 2015

Rogue Key Comics List


Mr. Wayne Brown requested this, and because I can get it out faster than the others, I decided to whip this up. So, with the character of Rogue, her 2nd appearance is a doozy to figure out, and out of curiosity, I'll try to answer as best my conclusion as best as possible.

To start off and to make clear, many of these won't be great investment comics. Most are sleepers or just aren't significant enough to the over-all market. 

However, concerning the evolution of Rogue as a character, many of these keys are significant in a fan base sense. Do not expect all of these to be based purely on the investment aspect.

Anyways, hope you enjoy this Rogue key comics list, and there will be more than one part. It won't be a long series, though.




MARVEL SUPERHEROES #11
Rogue steals Ms. Marvel's powers

I'm starting off with this Modern Age comic, because it precedes the events of Avengers Annual #10 canonically. Not saying it's the first appearance of Rogue, so don't get me wrong.

This story line does tell the story of how Rogue steals Ms. Marvel's (Carol Danvers) powers, and it was suppose to be featured in Ms. Marvel #25 back in 1979. Half of the artwork was completed, but as we all know, Ms. Marvel's series was cancelled before it could be published.

If that did not happen, we would be regarding Ms. Marvel #25 as the first appearance of Rogue. So, for some reason, the creatives at Marvel decided to tell this story a little more than a decade later.

Canonically, the events depicted here precedes Avengers Annual #10 since Rogue already had Ms. Marvel's powers in that issue. Marvel Super-Heroes #11 from the 2nd series was published Fall of 1992.





Avengers Annual #10 image
AVENGERS ANNUAL #10
1st appearance of Rogue

Without a doubt, this is the 1st appearance of Rogue in comics, and there should be no argument about that. Her first mission may have been up against Ms. Marvel continuity-wise, and the events of Avengers Annual #10 are actually after the events of Marvel Super-Heroes #11 volume 2, but we're talking about the published first time comic fans see and are introduced to the mutant, southern charmer.

Yes, it's also the first time Rogue is on the cover of a comic book also, and she does start off as a villain in the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants. Her real name is Anna Marie and she is the adopted daughter of Mystique.

The origins of Rogue is scattered throughout the years, and like most characters in comics, some are contradictory to others. In Uncanny X-Men #182, it was revealed that Rogue never knew her father because he disappeared shortly after her birth.

Later, in X-Men Unlimited #4 ran away from her father after her mutant abilities became activated, but in Uncanny X-Men #178, it was said that Mystique and Destiny took in Rogue before her mutant abilities surfaced.

Ah, gotta love comics. Still, the first appearance of Rogue in Avengers Annual #10 is definitely one to get and it has the cover date of 1981.






ROM SPACEKNIGHT #31
2nd appearance of Rogue

Whether this is truly the 2nd or 3rd appearance of Rogue, the story line in ROM from #31 and #32 are important to the character of Rogue, In Uncanny X-Men #158, Rogue is still a pretty hard nosed villain.

When she meets ROM, however, things begin to shift for the character. The story line marks when Rogue begins to question her place within the Brotherhood or Sisterhood of Evil Mutants and shows her potential goodness.

That does not happen until the next issue, however. In this issue, Mystique and Rogue free the rest of the Brotherhood from Windust Prison, in which Destiny, Avalanche, Blob & Pyro were captured after battling the Avengers in Avengers Annual #10.

During the battle with ROM, Mystique, Rogue and Destiny were forced to leave behind Pyro, Avalanche and the Blob. They escape but the story is continued in issue #32.

After receiving a reply from Chris Claremont, he did mention that this story line is a precursor to Rogue eventually leaving the Brotherhood and joining the X-Men. Bill Mantlo wrote the ROM stories involving Rogue, but they did share plot ideas for the stories they were working on.

Even though I thought otherwise before, I believe that ROM Spaceknight #31 is indeed the 2nd appearance of Rogue and you'll find out soon why I've come to this conclusion. Cover date for this comic is June, 1982.






UNCANNY X-MEN #158
3rd appearance of Rogue
1st appearance in X-Men comic

In the past, I thought that the events in Uncanny X-Men #158 preceded the events of ROM #31, but now I'm quite sure that's wrong. Since this issue and ROM #31 were published the same month, there is an interesting debate about which is Rogue's actual 2nd appearance.

Trust me, it is a doozy. Disregarding actual release dates, Uncanny X-Men #158 has Mystique and Rogue fight the X-Men & Carol Danvers at the Pentagon. There is no Destiny in issue #158.

In the pages of ROM, Destiny is freed when Mystique and Rogue infiltrate Windust Prison. The male members were left behind after the battle with ROM.

Now, just because Destiny was not in Uncanny X-Men #158 isn't a clear indication that the events in this issue precedes ROM #31. She could of been mowing the lawn or something.

The story in ROM #31 continues directly in ROM #32 and that issue was published one month later in July, 1982. Would really make no sense continuity wise to have the story in Uncanny #158 in-between ROM #31 & #32.

Because the boys are not present for a while, Mystique, Rogue and Destiny are known as the Sisterhood of Evil Mutants for quite a while, and this Sisterhood is also carried over into Dazzler #22 with all three members.

Of course, Dazzler #22 (December, 1982) is the next published and released appearances of Mystique, Rogue and Destiny after ROM #32. The real kicker is that at the end of Uncanny X-Men #158, Mystique is captured at the Pentagon.

There's no story that tells how or when Mystique escapes after the events of Uncanny X-Men #158.

Chris Claremont was kind enough to respond to my question, and even though he thinks Uncanny X-Men should come first before the events of ROM #31 and #32, he wasn't 100% sure. Actually, the legendary comic writer started off the email with, "I’m afraid this is the peril of asking questions about stories that are just shy of 40 (!) years old."

So far Overstreet and CGC are unsure what to note these issues except, "Mystique, Rogue and Destiny appearances". I don't blame them, but I do think I've cracked it. Uncanny X-Men #158 has the cover date of June, 1982.






ROM SPACEKNIGHT #32
4th appearance of Rogue

In this issue, ROM immediately catches up with the Sisterhood at an old abandoned mansion right after the failed Windust Prison break out. He finds the ladies and a mutant named Hybrid have already banned together to eliminate him. When Rogue attacks ROM, he tells her that he senses no evil in Rogue unlike Mystique, and asks her why she is attacking him.

When Rogue kisses ROM to absorb his powers, she awakens emotions that ROM hasn't felt in a long time since he was human before becoming the Spaceknight. In return, Rogue felt something that she never experience before. ROM's armor had no powers to absorb, but grafted to it was some kind of noble decency that she never come across in her young life.

Secretly, Rogue is awed by this. She immediately tells Mystique that they cannot allow Hybrid to harm ROM because he is good and noble. Mystique immediately refutes this until Destiny can finally see that Hybrid plans to enslave all mutant females as breeding tools to create a race of Hybrid mutants like himself.

Eventually, the Sisterhood teams up with ROM against Hybrid and defeats him. As they depart, Rogue looks longingly back at ROM and wonders if they will ever cross paths again.

The ROM story would begin a turning point for the character of Rogue. We all know she switches sides, but these issues do hint at it and establishes that Rogue isn't a straight-up villain. Although angry and bitter and misguided, she just longs to be normal so she can be loved.

I'm not worried about this issue being the 4th appearance of Rogue since the publishing and release date is obviously after Uncanny X-Men #158. ROM Spaceknight #32 has th cover date of July, 1982.





DAZZLER #22
5th appearance of Rogue

Okay, here's where things get a bit more clearer in terms of continuity. So the debate is whether the events of Uncanny X-Men #158 or ROM #31 came before the other.

In Dazzler #22, the Sisterhood is at their hideout and reflect upon recent events. Key words are "recent events". 

It's in this issue where Mystique reveals the reason her and Rogue were at the Pentagon, and that was to steal experimental anti-personnel hawks to use against the Angel to scare him.

If cover dates are the same, then we have to look at release dates to determine which appearance should be marked appropriately. At least, that seems to be the current practice since quite a few comics containing the same character were released on the same date with the same cover date, especially during the Golden Age.


If cover dates and release dates are the same for two comics, we have to look at continuity or where the stories of the issues falls into the over-all timeline of the character, group, or entire Marvel Continuity. Hopefully that makes sense. 

Dazzler #22 pretty much throws in a wrench to Uncanny X-Men #158 preceding the story in ROM with the Sisterhood of Evil Mutants reflecting upon recent events.

Destiny is clearly in the story for one, and the clencher is the story's recap of recent events that involve their ruse at the Pentagon and their battle with the X-Men. In subsequent panels, it clearly shows Rogue eager for another round with heavyweight Wolverine and to take a shot at Colossus.

Can't say that she lacks confidence, can we? So this issue definitely takes place after the events in ROM for one, because Destiny is present.

The issue also hints that Dazzler #22 also places the events of Uncanny X-Men #155 after the events in ROM and before Dazzler #22 in continuity. ROM #31 looks to be the 2nd appearance of Rogue.


Destiny must have been freed before this issue takes place obviously, and the whole page of dialogue in this issue obviously refers to their prior meeting with the X-Men at the Pentagon and why.

The appearances of Rogue in the Dazzler comic series does start the animosity that Rogue has towards Dazzler. Rogue would try to get revenge on Dazzler in issues #22 through #24 and #27 and #28. Tensions between the two would be carried over even when Dazzler joins the X-Men.

It is still kind of strange to see Rogue show her potential for good prior in the ROM stories and then be a straight-up and hard-nosed villain again in the Dazzler issues, but whatever. It is what it is, especially when you have three different writers contributing to a character's earliest appearances in three different comic titles.  

Dazzler #22 is cover dated December, 1982. The story was written by Danny Fingergoth.




I bumped this ahead of the request line because I know the character of Rogue a bit more and could whip it up a bit faster. Boy, was I wrong.

It took me a while to uncover the continuity placement, and much thanks to supermegamonkey.net for providing the images and run down of Dazzler #22.

In one of the 2nd appearances key issues, I stated that the events Uncanny X-Men #158 preceded ROM #31, but after digging around further, I learned that was wrong.

I think Dazzler #22 pretty much places the Pentagon story after the Windust Prison break. Some sources say that the battles between Dazzler and Rogue in Dazzler's solo comic series happened before the prison break, but this can't be.

Why is that? Well, one character for certain and that's Destiny. So apologies for having to make this correction involving Rogue's 2nd appearance. I have corrected this in the prior key issues lists.

Either way, ROM #31 and Uncanny X-Men #158 are early appearances of Rogue, and as mentioned before, the story-line in ROM is important to the character despite being a 2nd appearance. Also, Uncanny X-Men #158 is still the 1st appearance of Rogue in an X-Men comic.

Chris Claremont was kind enough to take time out of his busy schedule to answer my question, but he wasn't quite sure as it was nearly 40 years ago as he put it.

If Uncanny X-Men #158 was released or hit the stands before ROM #31, then the continuity placement is void and Uncanny X-Men #158 is the 2nd appearance of Rogue. However, Mike's Amazing World of Comics, has the on sale dates for both comics at March 9, 1982.

Until this is proven incorrect, this is the appearance notations for now concerning Rogue's early appearances. Best that I can do, and I can surely say that I tried to clear things up and hope it makes some sense to you.

So, more Rogue key comics will be continued in Part 2 coming soon. See ya then.