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Friday, June 5, 2015

The $5000 Comic Invesment Choice?


By K. Wiebes

I recently sold my vacation property and will reinvest most of the proceeds.  However, I am middle-aged so I have $5,000 "fun money" that I want to buy a super-key to hold for 20 years and enjoy.  Yes, instead of a Porsche and a mid-life crisis, I am buying a high-end comic book.  I have it narrowed down to three possible choices, but I can't decide on which one makes the best "long-term investment". $5,000 US is the MAX amount budgeted. 

Here my short-listed choices:


Amazing Spider-Man #1 - CGC 3.5  
- Super key 
- Silver Age
- most popular super hero
- low CGC grade. 




Green Lantern #76 - CGC 9.4 (signature series)
- most popular GL issue
- investment-grade issue
- signed by Neil Adams?  Does anyone care?
- someday a decent movie could cause this to increase in value? 


Incredible Hulk #181 - CGC 9.4
- most popular bronze-age issue
- one of the most popular Hulk issues
- first appearance of Wolverine
- has Wolverine's popularity peaked?  Not much room to grow? 


Anyway just an idea for a blog if you are interested in weighing in! I think they are all good to buy (and ENJOY) for the next 20 years, so any of them would be a GOOD choice, but just wondering what would be the BEST "long term" growth one.

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This was an email sent to me by Wiebes and thought it would be a good post. He thought that is, and I agreed that it would be cool and fun to see what you guys would choose the best long-term investment comic to snag if in the same situation.

I already told him my answer and it will be left out here. We wanna hear your feedback, so ladies and gents, which one would you choose as the best long-term comic to invest in out of this short list?

34 comments:

  1. i like ASM 1 but that is a personal preference even though that GL would be BA. JW

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  2. ASM 1 is most likely the best choice. I'd steer clear of gold labeled books for this question (even though I have Hulk 181 SS 8.5 CGC) if you're looking for a movie to bolster the value of a book, that's a possible "flash in a pan" value increase & not a reason to buy a 20 year investment. If it was for hulk 181 9.6, that would be a stronger contender than a 9.4 for a Bronze Age key. However, Marvel will continue to use the Wolverine mythos, long after he's "dead" (X-23 wearing his uniform!?!?) so the 181 is a strong 2nd runner up. In closing, you can never go wrong with any Spider-Man key issue! Good luck with your choice!

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  3. ASM 1. That's not just a great key...it is a holy grail key. So few people have one. Even at that grade.

    Hulk 181 is an ok 2nd choice, but as great as the book is and as great as it's future may be, I just think that book is grabbing prices that have been driven high from speculation. You get that book, expect a drop/lull for a time after this market corrects before it gets back up to its purchase value or beyond. I just sold my only Hulk 181 - not because I don't love the book, but because I think I can actually re-buy one in 10 years and come out on top of that deal.

    Green Lantern? Are you a GL/GA fan? If not, pass on this one. Even if you are...wouldn't you just love to have an ASM 1?? Bragging rights!

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    1. Did a little research. For $5k, you can easily nab a 4.5 ASM 1 and maybe even hold out for a 5.0.

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    2. Just curious .......I foresee the same future......When do you see the market correcting it's self?

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  4. If black Panther's first appearance (FF #52) wasn't so inflated right now I'd go with that. I think it has great long term potential and it is historical having the first black superhero. I think the movie will make him super popular and make him an A list character eventually. Just my guess.

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  5. GoCollect has 9.6 181s at $4800 over the last 3 months. So if that's your choice I'd go 9.6 over 9.4. I would not go for a GL over spidey or wolvie, but that's just me. Spidey #1 would be so sick to own, more rare than a 181, right? Are these the only 3 choices? Can I throw in a low grade AF15 or Hulk 1? Those should continue to be grails for years and years. After all isn't ASM 1, just a second appearance of a character? Or is it valuable because it's the first FF cross over? Haha!!

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    1. You can't buy a low grade AF 15 or Hulk 1 for 5000 anymore, yes Spidey 1 is rarer than Hulk 181 which is super common.

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    2. Bummer, maybe buy a raw copy or find an old lady selling her dead husband's collection?

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  6. Once again a tough nut to crack. Actually I like to give the answer from a future buyer point of view. The A.S. 1 sure is nice, but I would not pay too much for this one because A its not his 1 appearance and B well, what is this comic supposed to look like if you should ever pull it out of that plastic box? I mean 3, 5 - thats like letting your little brother sit on that book! Green Lantern, would definitely drop out for me because I don' t see an acceptable movie franchise on the horizon for the next years. They definitely screwed up the last time. So, as you can guess, the winner is: I. H. 181: It has everything an investor would want: nice grade, first appearance, important character. Sure, there might not be too much room for growth, but, one of the hardest tasks in our field is finding a comic that holds its value over many years. Such a comic would be I. H. 181 for me.

    Speculation Jones

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  7. ASM 1 - Common, high demand

    Hulk 181 - Easily available, Over exposed, popular, high demand, high CGC census numbers, common in high grade.

    Green Lantern 76 SS - Prices have peaked on GL 76's, SS is an acquired taste. Demand has died down.


    My 3 picks

    1) Brave And The Bold #28 - Huge Demand, Very rare in high grade, very tough to find with Off White pages or better. Undervalued major Silver Age key with huge growth potential in all grades.

    2) Tales To Astonish 27 - Demand is picking up, copies in all grades are being snatched up left and right. 5K will get you a CGC 5.0, look for good page PQ.

    3) Brave And The Bold 25 - Ever see one? Most people haven't is so tough to find, With the new Suicide Squad movie coming, this book is getting serious exposure. 5K (if you can find one) will net you a 6.0/6.5 with change left over. Good luck finding one :)

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  8. I would stick with the Porsche.

    Mr. Scrub

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  9. i'd look for the next Brave and Bold 25

    imo....

    that's the first doom patrol. my greatest adventure 80.

    IF you can find one 9.0-9.2, it will probably set you back $1500-2000

    that will leave you with some money for a few more.

    1st captain comet, strange adventures 9, cgc 8.5 ~$1600-1800

    you should have enough change for a first captain atom, strange adventures 33

    just my opinion

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  10. 3 choices and 3 great books. But Dc books for 5k IMO isn't something I'm gonna bank on unless it's BB 28 long term and a mid grade. But out of these choices I'd look for what book you desire more. ASM #1 is def beyond cool and your talking Spidy here. Also Hulk 181 nothing lower then 9.6 if you want sustainable growth as it has huge potential to hit 10k in yrs to come but white pages mind you.ASM #1 or Hulk 181 are my choices and either one you seriously can't go wrong.

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    1. Hulk 181 is way too common, it's the poor man's mega key

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  11. Hi Mayhem,

    not exactly a comic in this price range, but I had high hopes for it. So, I have to ask:
    what happend to the first appearance of Gamorra? I thought I had a sleeper in my hands, but it does not make daily headlines in any way. In comparison that pesky critter R. R. is doing quite well...

    Ace

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    1. I guess the comic market likes furry little animals that talk and shoot guns, but in all fairness, Gamora in the film was a luke warm character. Nothing really spectacular about her in the film. Actually, and just my opinion, I don't see the big deal with Rocket Raccoon either in GOTG. It's Hit or Miss, but did you buy that first appearance when it was still a sleeper (before the hype)?

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    2. No big deal. Got the first appearances of the team (without groot) before the hype. Whatever. Maybe GOTG 2 & 3 will change things. Sometimes all we collectors need is patience. I mean, X-Force 2 a hot comic? That would have been a laughing matter 5 years ago ;-)

      Ace

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  12. 1. ASM 1
    2. Hulk 181 (I think you can get a 9.6 for 5k)
    distant 3. GL 76

    what does a lower grade ASM go for? i.e. a 2.0? you might be able to get a lower grade (nicely presented ASM 1, and then use the rest to get a mid-grade hulk 181 and have both keys)
    ;)

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  13. Why not get the first appearance of the Punisher in a nice grade?

    Wisecrack

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  15. Wolverine is my favorite personally and you can definitely get a 9.6 with a 5k budget. I also don't think he's peaked as it appears Marvel still has plans for him (and his kin NYX #3 should finally see growth) since its been revealed he'll survive Secret Wars. With that said do you already have a AF #15. It's a little above budget in low grade but that's what I'm currently saving for

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  16. I would give ASM the edge based solely on availability and age, but agree that Hulk 181 in high grade is also a great long term investment, GL 76 has its importance but the lack of overall interest in GL scratches it from the list for me, if it were my 5k i would consider a high grade TMNT 1.

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  17. Hulk 181 is the poor mans mega key :-O hahaha yah a 9.6 grade is a poor mans book. I guess I need to buy another Spider Gwen #1 9.9

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  18. Amazing Spiderman 1 without a second hesitation!!!
    (The only other book better would be Amazing Fantasy 15...THE HOLY GRAIL of Silver Age)
    Then it would be a handful of S.A. 1st Appearances or Golden Age KEYS.
    Bronze Age Comics are Awesome! (I own most!), but for the money Spidey is hands down the most recognizable character worldwide. (next to Mickey Mouse) Best of Luck!!! lk

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  19. O.K., before this post explodes, here' s my last argument, why Incredible Hulk 181 should come out on top: remember What if Wolverine killed the Hulk? In this story the Watcher reveals, that if things didn' t happen they way they did in the first encounter of Wolverine and the Hulk, there would be no Fantastic Four, no Spiderman, no Ironman - so, super mega key in terms of overall Marvel Universe importance! Stan the man would give me a no-price for that!

    Ace

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    1. It all comes down to rarity. I have come across hundreds of copies of each of Hulk 181 and GL 76 at comic cons and shows. I have come across 3 copies of Amazing Spiderman #1 and trust me, even cgc 2.0 copies are now bringing $2500+ and a 3.5 will be soon approaching $10,000 as Amazing Fantasy 15 gets further out of range for most buyers. lk

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  20. Wrong...it all comes down to demand and what people are willing to pay. Rarity does not always translate into "worth a ton of money". High grades (8.0 and up) of Hulk 181 and GL 76 will always be coveted by most collectors...because its an attainable goal. ASM 1 and AF 15 are already out of most collectors purchasing realm.

    You're Welcome

    A2theBriel

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    1. Both rarity and demand play a factor in value, so you're both right. LK is right concerning two highly sought out comics. If you got only 4000 in existence for one comic compared to one that has around 9,000 and say 5,000 of each comic gets dumped back into the market at the same time with an equal demand of about 10,000 people for each comic, hypothetically speaking the one with 9,000 copies will lose value quicker while the comic with only 4,000 in existence with a demand of 10,000 people will still have 6,000 extra collectors competing over it while the one with 9,000 will only have an extra 1,000 driving up the price.

      So of course, the more rarer comic will be more valuable and lose value slower while one with a lot more copies will drop faster and more significantly if that hypothetical scenario were to happen.

      You are also right that not everything is about rarity. Demand drives up value but rarity is also key in terms of that value determination. All three are in demand keys for sure, but I don't think LK is flat out wrong nor are you.

      ASM #1 as common as some say it is, has less copies in existence than a Hulk 181, especially in high grades, but are a bit more common in lower grades. Either way, I like both points.

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  21. Exactly. No matter how many A.S. 300, I. H. 181 or New Mutants 98 are out there - people will want these for the the next years to come.

    Ace

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    1. True there Ace, but factoring in speculator demand compared to natural fan base demand and rarity does play a part. If you have a comic that's considerably more rare with high demand and higher value, the less speculators may be willing to jump on that comic because the less available and out of reach in terms of price it may be.

      The more accessible in price and copies, the more chance of non-fans just buying up comics to purely flip when the time is right. Rarity should definitely not be ignored in a speculator market, but neither should demand, especially if we are considering something long-term.

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  22. Well, my personal order would be GL, IH and then ASM. I am not a huge ASM fan and I do like Wolverine. However, I like the historical significance of GL and what it brought to the comic industry as a whole. I feel like many of the comics I enjoy / enjoyed after that might not have happened. BUT, that is just my taste. I would not personally care about the SS. It might be a nice addition, but I would potentially hold out on the SS and maybe pick up a lesser key with the difference.

    Yet, this is about investment. From that point of view, I do have a hard time arguing with ASM 1. That is something any collector would like, and even people who do not know comics can understand the importance he has in pop-culture. From your POV, I would go with the ASM 1.

    I think all of them are solid choices, and frankly none of them would be 'wrong' which is a good thing :)

    - Craig Coffman

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    1. For $5,000, I would not buy a GL #76 9.4 CGC at the current over-bloated prices many sellers are listing it as. That comic should be lower than $3800 for regular Universal at that grade. Probably closer to $3000. Neal Adams is great n all, but his signature isn't worth two grand.

      I have to say nay on GL #76 unless the prices come down to where they're suppose to be. Only $5000 copy sold back in 2013. 2014 two copies sold above the $2,000 mark. No way $5,000 is a reasonable price for that issue even an SS series.

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    2. Mayhem -

      I was just saying if I were to choose, for personal reasons, I would go with GL. I have not looked at cost / values to compare. My choice is because the book means more to me than the other two. For pure investment, though I would not go that route. I would vote ASM 1.

      I agree with your points on GL, though I did not know the maths to support the case. I was just looking at the 3 options and figured 5K was the ceiling, not necessarily what each book would cost. That was what I was eluding to with backing off on the signature and possibly looking at a second lessor key to fill the 5K max.

      I think this whole thread is very interesting and I like hearing the whats and whys from various readers. I will be curious to know what Weibes lands on!

      - Craig Coffman

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