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Saturday, February 14, 2015

KEY ISSUE ALERT: Sgt Fury & His Howling Commandos #8

Sgt Fury & His Howling  Commandos #8
1st appearance of Heinrich Zemo?
2nd appearance of Baron Zemo?
Published: July, 1964
Publisher: Marvel Comics  
Writer: Stan Lee  
Artist: Dick Ayers

eBay - Mostly raw and lower grade copies here, but they are the cheapest ones I could locate since this comic is simmering up pretty fast. Might be some good deals to be found still. Might have better chances of that happening if you take the hunt offline.


This Silver Age comic is already up there in high grades before the peak, and this Key Issue Alert is more about discussing this key than actually snagging it since it's already simmering up.

In case you didn't notice the question marks in the comic's credits, I put those in there for a reason. The latest news is that Daniel Bruhl will be playing Baron Zemo in Captain America Civil War and no doubt that the original first appearance of the character is in a peak right now.

First, I am not disputing that Avengers #6 is the first full appearance of Baron Zemo since he is actually revealed as such and is shown in the traditional and iconic garb of the character. I'm also not disputing that Avengers #4 is the first cameo appearance of Baron Zemo shown in flashback either.

What I am questioning is if this is the first character appearance of Heinrich Zemo, called Dr. Zemo in this issue?

Let's get down to brass tax for this issue. The character in Sgt Fury and the Howling Commandos #8 is actually Heinrich Zemo, later becoming the original Baron Zemo who puts together the original Masters of Evil. 

Also, Avengers #6 and Sgt. Fury #8 have the same publishing date of July, 1964. I'm not sure of the actual release date or the in store date as I couldn't find any information on that. If you know, please add a comment about it.

If we are talking about timeline or continuity, it's pretty apparent that the stories in Sgt Fury & His Howling Commandos are set in World War II. Once again, I'm not saying this should be the first appearance of Baron Zemo as he is not dressed in the costume or referred to as the namesake like in Avengers #6.

I am saying should this be the first appearance of Heinrich Zemo, especially since the publishing date ties with the first full appearance of Baron Zemo in Avengers #6 and the story precedes the events in that Avengers issue?

Just to make it clear what I'm basing this off of is publishing date and continuity. If those factors are for some reason neglected, than should this key issue be the 2nd appearance of Baron Zemo?

After all, Avengers #6 could have a release date earlier than this issue, and if it does, I could see this being a 2nd appearance of the big bad. I do think it would be weird noting it as the 2nd appearance of Baron Zemo since he actually hasn't assumed that particular identity yet. 

However, what if both comics have the same in store date or what if this key Silver Age comic has an earlier release date?

Once again, just wanted to bring up this topic, because it is a good subject. Either way, I think Sgt Fury & His Howling Commandos #8 should either be the first appearance of Heinrich Zemo, as a character (not as Baron Zemo), or the 2nd appearance of Baron Zemo.

I'm leaning more towards the first option, much like there is a first appearance of Carol Danvers and a first appearance of her as Ms. Marvel. Anyways, something to think about.

Oh, yes, and I'm not deluded into thinking that the version Daniel Bruhl will be playing in Captain America Civil War will be the original Heinrich Baron Zemo. I'm thinking it will most likely be the more modern era Helmut Zemo, Heinrich's son, since Heinrich is obviously set during the World War II era.

In case, you're wondering the first appearance of Helmut Zemo as Baron Zemo, Oraldo already commented about it in the previous Key Issue Alert and it's Captain America #275 from the first volume. Yes, that one's in a peak already too, so if you have that issue already, it's one I would dump during this peak pronto. Actually, if you have this one as well, may be nearing a good time to cash out as well.

Helmut Zemo even has a first appearance of the character, and although he appears as the Phoenix in his debut in Captain America #168, it's noted as the character's first. So what do you guys think? Should Sgt Fury #8 be the first appearance of Heinrich Zemo as a character, or the 2nd appearance of Baron Zemo?


  1. ant wait till cap 3. went to local shop and found some great deals out of the 2 dollar bin. web of spidey 18, and x factor 1, 15, 16, 22. JW

    1. Definitely interested in seeing Cap America Civil War for sure. Should be a must watch. Great snags there JW!

  2. Funny. I just stumbled upon this one on ebay, but was not sure if I should give it a shot. To be honest, I don' t think the movie will make it a great investment. I mean, I got the first appearance of Batroc and Agent 13 (Sharon Carter) and have not heard of great price increases - or am I wrong here?

    1. Not sure if it's a great investment, but just wanted to actually talk about the comic and what key issue status it should hold...if any really. Tales of Suspense #75 did actually see a pretty big price hike for 9.4 NMs and above during it's peak. I got TOS #75 well before the announcement (in a comic lot) for $8 bucks so not too worried about it. However, if it's not a super high grade one for sure and may not be worth sending in to get graded, so you're not technically wrong about TOS #75.

  3. Hey Mayhem,
    what do you think about Tales of Suspense 53? Definitely a sleeper in my eyes. It has the 2nd appearance of the Black Widow and the origin of the Watcher. Also nice cover...

    1. TOS #53 2nd appearance of Black Widow will definitely be in an upcoming part to the 2nd appearances list (surprised I've yet to throw that one in there honestly). Not quite sure if it's a sleeper in high grade CGC's though. Maybe in the VF ranges.