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Friday, October 10, 2014

Fantastic Four #52 CGC 6.5 FN+ 1st Black Panther


Alright here's one of my most recent snags, and this vault post is actually three parts as this snag was in conjunction with two other simultaneous snags that go hand in hand. So before you go WTF, why a mid-grade Fantastic Four #52 CGC copy, there is a method to my madness that I like to call a strategy and why I choose certain key issues at certain grades.


As most of you know, I've been recommending the first appearance of Black Panther in Fantastic Four #52 for a quite a while now. Of course, there's obvious reasons why I chose this key issue. Most of you know that the Marvel cinematic universe has been primed to introduce this character to the big screen. It's been long talked about so I'll spare you that obvious reason.

I've always liked the Black Panther as well. I've always thought a stand alone movie would just be awesome and extremely feasible for the character.

I'm not sure who owns the movie rights to Klaw. If Marvel and Disney still do then a Black Panther movie that details his origins would be killer. Personally, I would like to see Klaw stealing vibranium to create his sonic powered weapon, and in the process of doing so, kill T'Challa's father and king of the Wakandan Panther Tribe, T'Chaka, like so in the comic origin.

Then, and what I think would be awesome to see in a Black Panther movie, are the battles that T'Challa would have to go through in order to earn the title of the Black Panther. In the history of the character in the comics, T'Challa would have to battle and defeat the best warriors of the other Wakandan tribes to earn the title, as well as the right to eat the special herb that mystically connects one with the Wakandan Panther God and grants the person with super human abilities in strength, stamina, senses and reflexes.

Talk about a Gladiator-type movie but set in the Marvel Universe and the fictional African nation of Wakanda. I think it would be awesome, and of course, T'Challa's revenge against the murderer of his father is an important element that shouldn't be left out in the film also. If Marvel and Disney do not own the rights to Klaw, then I'm sure they'll have to change that villain up or create another in Klaw's place.

So there's the revenge element and the political climate of protecting Wakanda's borders from outsiders who are driven to exploit Wakanda and it's special vibranium metal. I think that makes a complex and pretty interesting premise for a flick, especially since the Marvel Universe on screen is becoming a larger world with all these new alien threats. T'Challa in a movie would have to wrestle with continued isolation or having to make alliances with other superheroes in order to protect Wakanda, possibly even upsetting other Wakandan tribes by doing so. If written right, there can be quite an entertaining complexity in a Black Panther movie for sure.


Black Panther is a pretty cool character. He's also an historical character in terms of the comic industry as well by being the very first black superhero character in the world of comics. I wonder if Stan Lee and Jack Kirby were ever conscious about that when creating the character. 

Don't get me wrong here though. Not to say that T'Challa wouldn't be a cool character simply because of this historical fact. Black Panther would still be an awesome and interesting character regardless as I've pointed out. It's just a simple truth that he also happens to be the very first black superhero in comics though. Maybe some could care less about that fact, but I think it's a pretty cool one to add to his awesomeness.

Anyways, enough of me geeking out on the character and why I think he's an interesting one to script for the big or small screen. What prompted me to finally pull the trigger on this Silver Age key issue and what was the mayhem that made me decide upon this graded FN+ copy?

Not too long ago, eBay sent me a message that they were offering 10% eBay Bucks rewards. Let me say that again, 10% eBay Bucks rewards. It would only last for two or three days. I forgot how many days it was, but it wasn't long, so I had to concoct a strategy pretty fast.

So the deal is if I buy a comic on eBay, I'd get 10% back of the purchase price. Spend $1000 bucks, you get $100 back to go towards another purchase when they issue you the discount coupon. Like I've said before, buying at cons is nice but all you get is a thank you when you buy there. This way, I and you at least get something back to help fund another comic investment.

This brings me to one of the reasons why I chose a mid grade copy of this comic. If I spent over $1000, I'd still only get $100 back in eBay bucks. The maximum allowed in getting eBay rewards is only $100 per purchase.  Even if if you spend $1500 on a single purchase, $100 eBay Bucks is the limit you'd get back, so going above a grand with one purchase isn't really worth it in this case.

However, you can stack two or more purchases together within a quarter period though. So if I bought two $1000 comics in a quarter period, I would've gotten $200 eBay bucks back during the 10% rewards period. The maximum allowed within a quarter for eBay rewards is $500, so if you bought 5 $1000 comics during this two day special, you'd get $500 bucks back. Spend more, and you can only still get $500 back for the quarter.

Regardless, my budget was only a grand. I was adamant not to go over it. In fact, I wanted to go slightly under it if I could.

So then comes the question: Do I get this in CGC 8.5, which is the highest copy that would be still be under a $1000, or do I do a split? Decisions, decisions, decisions, so I looked up sold prices. I really didn't want anything lower than a mid-grade FN 6.0, but I was unsure just how much demand was for mid-grade or low grade CGC copies.

After I found out that 6.0 FNs were still below the $500 mark, I thought maybe one grade a bit higher. So I looked CGC 6.5 FN+s. Still below the $500 mark for slabbed copies.

This brings me to another reason, and this reason probably had the most impact on my choice. There's another comic that has a good chance of being a highly sought out comic in the near future also. I've had my eye on it recently, and even talked about it and it's specific grade on here recently also.

I could get this Silver Age comic in a nice high grade and slabbed too. The combined price of FF #52 and this comic would still be under my budget. The only problem is that one of the comic's grades would have to be sacrificed, and in this case, FF #52 would have to take a backseat in terms of grade.

I went for the CGC FN+, and I think it was worth it though. For one, Fantastic Four #52 has been in-demand for quite some time.

Two, high grades are extremely expensive in the current market right now for this key issue comic. I'm expecting the demand will trickle down to mid-grade copies eventually, especially when it comes closer to more news concerning Black Panther hitting the big screen. That means that this comic at this grade has a higher probability of sooner potential growth since it's more affordable to the average comic investor or collector.

So I felt safe in terms of getting a mid-grade slabbed copy of this first appearance of Black Panther as a comic investment. Besides, this slabbed copy was selling for $429, and at 10% that meant I would get $42.90 bucks back, not including the 1% rewards from Pay Pal Credit, which use to be Bill Me Later until they were recently bought out, that was also included in this special rewards period.

Three, I could stack the eBay bucks I could get with this copy and the other comic I wanted since that key issue was also in the $400 range. I call this stacking, just like how body builders stack supplements to achieve optimal muscle growth. Same principle, sort of.

So in settling for this mid-grade copy, I could also get the high grade Silver Age comic I had my eye on, and the eBay bucks accumulated from those two purchases together would also entirely or partially fund another key issue comic that had a good chance of being primed to go up in value in the near future.

The 2nd part to this is ready, and you'll find out which comic investment I snagged that caused me to sacrifice the grade of this key issue from a potential CGC 8.5 to a definite CGC 6.5. FN+. Just click the blue PART 2 link below to continue!



17 comments:

  1. very nice book ;T.
    I send my fantastic four 52 two years age to cgc and it came back 6.0 so I did good. anything fine or better is good.

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    1. We will have to see Oraldo. You bought the copy raw and most likely got it cheaper than what it's going for slabbed at 6.0. Mine is starting without instant return, so basically at zero. Slabbed copies of FF#52 at cgc 6.5 are pretty scarce on eBay at the moment. We'll have to see how the next peak affects these grades. It may just be a little.

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  2. Just sold my copy in order to get a higher grade. Bad time to do it I know but I had a 4.5...lowest comic I have in my collection and I wanted it out. I want everything in my collection no lower than 7.0.

    I bought it for $70 and just sold it for $138... Not bad! I want to get an 8.0 now. I love Black Panther!

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    1. Very cool...an 8.0 is getting up there for sure for prices. Black Panther is pretty bad ass...least I think so...and the rumor going around now is that Wakanda just may appear in Avengers 2. They shot a few scenes in South Africa.

      Plus, adamantium, which is what Ultron is made out of in the comics, has been switched to vibranium since Fox owns the rights on adamantium. Could very well be setting up for Wakanda in the Marvel cinematic universe since it is the home of the precious Marvel metal.

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    2. Right on! There was a plot point leak for Age of Ultron that Ultron goes to Wakanda for Vibrainium to build an indestructible shell. That Thor hammer won't do much good after he does that!

      Yeah an 8.0 will set me back for sure, but for many of the reasons you listed above I think it'll be worth it in the long run. Also, got me a Ms. Marvel #1 in NM for $51 today! Unslabbed but looks mint! Getting ready for Age of Ultron to shoot these characters thought he roof. I have Avengers #57 too in 7.5 but I wish it was higher. I love The Vision.

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  3. Very good decision of yours, I think you´ve made some very smart investments that will proven to be just right in time! I´ve been watching FF#52 for more than 18 months now and prices just go up (even for midgrades... when the Black Panther movie finally will hit the big screen I guess this book will be a solid investment for the next years as prices just go in one direction...
    What do you think about the others Black Panther keys, like Avengers #52 and #87 or Jungle Action #5? Will they also be worth for a mid or long investment?
    I just sniped a copy of All Star Comics #58 CGC SS 9.4, think I´ve paid a little bit too much for it, but I´m hoping that Power Girl is gonna be THE next female superhero, especially for all the female comic book readers and fans, so I´m thinking of it as a long term investment...
    Great work from you )as always!), thank you for sharing your knowledge with us!! Regards from Berlin/Germany, Sven

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    1. Heya, Sven...good to hear from ya, man! Avengers #52 maybe a great buy since he joins the Avengers in that issue. Didn't even think of that one, so great call! Not so sure about Jungle Action #5, but Black Panther #1 has already seen a boost in demand.

      All Star Comics #58 will be a good one for sure in the future as more and more are looking for affordable DC Comics first appearances. I'm surprised her first appearance isn't worth more to be honest.

      Thanks for reading and commenting, Sven.

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  4. By the way, talking about investments for the future: What do you think about certain crossover-issues, e.g. Avengers #11 witrh spidey and the x-men? As it is expected that Marvel is going to expand its universe more and more and they´re trying to connect some storylines-will it be a solid investment? -Sven-

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    1. This is a tough call, because rumors are definitely heating up about this happening. Sony and Marvel are in talks and they've been in talks since Avengers, where they put in Oscorp tower in the Avengers movie, but had to remove it due to Sony having the rights.

      I know fans are getting excited about this, but Sony has the rights to all Spider-Man related characters, and it would be tough legally to crossover the two property rights with Sony and Disney. Then again, Sony is having a bit of a scare, because Amazing Spider-Man 2 did not perform as well as expected at the box office. It's a pretty risky call as high grade copies in the NM range are already past the $1000 mark.

      Since it is an early appearance of Spider-Man, I'd have to say yes, it's a good long term investment. As for Marvel and Sony crossing over properties, I'm surely not holding my breath about that happening, but I do think if it was the right time for that to happen in the movies, now would be a good time for the studios to do it.

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  5. I'm thinking FF#53 is a more affordable book to get in high grade and potential to increase in value with it being Black Panther's 2nd appearance and Klaw's first. If not a Black Panther movie, Klaw could easily slip into a future FF movie or as a member of the Master's of Evil in a future Avengers movie.
    BigPoppa

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    1. Would have to agree with your assessment of FF #53 2nd appearance of Black Panther and his origin. I hope Klaw is in the Black Panther movie and that Marvel has the rights to the character.

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  6. This site/link, http://screenrant.com/marvel-comics-movies-characters-carl-6766/ indicates who has which character rights. If this source is correct, Klaw is owned by Marvel/Disney studios.
    BigPoppa

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    1. Not sure if you checked out the visual guide to marvel character movie rights on that site. I was curious to see Cloak & Dagger and Power Pack hi-lighted. They are the only characters that have not been mentioned in any previous or future movie projects, at least to my knowledge. Could they be future projects? Would they not make good snags before they become hot?

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  7. Forgot to mention Shang-Chi as well. Hope your readers check out that site. Some interesting reads. Found a link there suggesting Keanu Reeves as Dr Strange...um no thanks
    BigPoppa

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    1. Dunno about Cloak & Dagger or Power Pack. No news about them yet, but I suppose it could be a possibility. I agree about Keanu Reeves as Dr. Strange...no thanks.

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  8. Well Black Panther is cast and so is Klaw with that said FF 43 has the most room to grow. It is still obtainable for under 100.00 in mid grade not to mention it is a great story! Black Panther vol 1 1 is going to hit its ceilingsoon due to a very high print run. Jungle action 6 is picking up steam and is fairly rare in high grade but notva great long term investment as 52 and 53. Forget about the bronse age stuff and drop the money on mid grade 53 all day and get rich!!!

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